Official "Ask A Question" Thread - FACTUAL QUESTIONS ONLY!

[Nature Boy]

Just wondered if anyone had any info on this!

Thanks

[4 Gold Scorpio]

My guess is real estate. That seems to be the #1 choice of those who worked in wrestling & retired/got fired/ect.

[Sean_Carleton1]

Hopefully staying far, far away from Pro Wrestling.

[Nature Boy]

Does anyone know for sure?

As far as I'm aware, he has never once commented on Wrestling since he was fire some 14, 15 years ago.

Even with people as talented as Rhodes, Sullivan, Gilbert and Cornette on the booking/creative team, he still managed to turn WCW into a joke.

As a DIE-HARD WCW fan, that takes a lot for me to say, but how can I state otherwise?

So, does anyone know for sure?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Unless someone has personally seen him, nobody really knows because it wasn't like he was a big wrestling personality who tried to stay in the business. He was just an executive suit, nothing more or less. He has no history in the wrestling business before & afterwards. That's like trying to track down K. Allen Frye. Your gonna need the F.B.I. (and I don't mean Little Guido) or putting his picture on milk cartons to figure out this one.

[Phantom Lord]

Not sure where to put this hopefully its alright here.

Basically I'm very interested to know how The Wrestling Territories worked back in the 70's and 80's.

Were there really like 20 different wrestling television shows? How did Pay Per View work back then?

How were the TV Shows set up? One Hour? 2 Hours? Squash Matches? High calibre matches?


Please someone fill me in.

[GerardRkoGillen]

Good questions. I think it was closed circuit tevlevision and just toured and got a good turn outs, and back then I think all matches were high calinre matches. PPV's it don't even think WWF/E had any back then

[AVFC]

There were lots of territory's but not all had TV deals, I think most only had shows airing in the local area or the locals would go to the shows. I don't think there were PPV's back then either.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Well, the territory system worked where a certain company would control certain areas of a region & there was an "unwritten rule" that one company would not cross into another promotions (which Vince McMahon broke to create the WWE we know today). World Class Championship Wrestling ran in the Texas area, Continental Wrestling ran around Memphis, the WWWF (Vince's dad's promotion) ran around the New York, Jim Crockett promotions (which would eventually become WCW) ran the Mid-Atlantic area like Georgia, Championship Wrestling From Flordia...well that one is kind of obivious.

The television was different for each area but for the most part, the territory controlled the TV through sydication or the public access channel for the real small local territories eventhough some territories would end up getting national television deals like Jim Crockett did through TBS, AWA through ESPN, and WWE through USA network. As for the shows themselves, again each one differs because some shows like "NWA World Championship Wrestling" had a 2 hour spot while some others like World Class would get an hour. As for match quality, it wasn't like the RAW's you see today where you see the big named superstars face each other in every match as they would save those for their big events like how WWE did for Saturday Night's Main Event. The normal TV show would have squash matches along with their occassional big name main event that you would see on wrestling shows today.

PPV didn't really come into play until around the mid-80's as they mostly used closed circuit television to broadcast events like how Jim Crockett used that format for his first couple of Starrcades & Vince used it for the first WrestleMania.

If you need a visual of how a territory worked then look at ECW because they were the last major territory in terms of only working in certain areas & having TV syndication for those markets.

[nabo rawk]

Who here knows when, where, and who wrestled in the first cage match ever?????

I do not know the answer, but figured someone here does!!!

I'm thinking its late 70's but It may have been earlier???


holla back if you know, I think its an interesting discussion.

If I posted this in the wrong area, please let me know

peace
nabs

[4 Gold Scorpio]

To be honest, this is a fact that's hard to track down but the earliest memories of a cage match came from Classy Freddie Blassie using I believe chicken wire or something like that back in the day...not sure if it's 60's or 70's but Blassie's cage was the first highly known cage match to happen.

[nabo rawk]

WOW thats incredible, I actually have blassies autograph, back in like 87 my uncle did security for him, a real stand up dude....
I donr know much of his wrestling, but more as a manager...WOW chicken wire, that must have have been so raw back then, bloody an brutal...

I was kinda right as far as the time period of the cage I guess??? very interesting.

I wonder if Jim Cornette knows the real deal??? he seems to be a wrestling historian????

thanks for replying soul brother!!!!

[gkdanko]

Here's a sight that would be most helpful for the enthusiasts...

http://www.steelcagematch.com/history/results/index.html


The first steel match I personally witnessed was Bruno Sammartino vs Sheik in 1969.

The BEST Steel Cage I've ever witnessed either on TV or in person was...July of 1970 between Fred Blassie and The Sheik. OUTSTANDING!

[nabo rawk]

whoa!!!! did I read that right????? they were doing stuff on the cage tip in late 30's????? I would have never known...

thanks for the post.

[Maxxy the Franchise]

That's all I remember... that the cage was constructed with Chickenwire... but that's a pretty cool little listing... Thanks

[nabo rawk]

Did anyone notice in the " SHORTIES " WM6 SNUKA VS RUDE......what was different about SNUKAS entrance?????

I know back in the day the music was different...WWE tried pull one on me..

why would they change his music now?????

[BXtremeJ]

yeah alot of times wwe does not want to pay 4 the copyrights so they jus use some filler music

[johnnypolo23]

I am trying to remember how Brian Pillman fit into the Hart Foundation. I am starting to think that I missed that episode of RAW (I was more into Nitro in those days). To me it made sense how all of the other guys fit in being relatives and all, but Pillman? How did that happen? How was he announced as a member?

[Gary]

It started out as just an alliance through their mutual dislike for Steve Austin, then they did the praying for Bret segment on Raw (28th April) which was what started them being together full time as he was praying for the families leader and from then he'd team with them/manage them and appear regularly in segments etc but through the months it was Pillman being seen as an associate of them for example JR would say the Hart Foundation &/with Brian Pillman and even the cover of IYH: Canadian Stampede said the same thing:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CBQNPA9AL._SS500_.jpg

It wasn't til about August of that year when they were collectivly known as the Hart Foundation, but by then Pillman was becomming distanced from the group due to his program with Goldust/Terri.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

It actually goes back further than that because Pillman was trained by Stu Hart as well & started his early career in Stampede Wrestling. But storyline wise, when Austin started calling out Bret Hart back in '96, Pillman was just an announcer at the time but started showing a little bias towards Bret Hart eventhough him & Austin were former tag partners (Hollywood Blondes in WCW) but one day, Austin had enough of it & crippled Pillman. Like Gary said, when Pillman returned...he formed an alliance with the guys based off their issues with Austin along with their past & actually stated being refered to as the Hart Foundation by May. But the thing about it at that time was that Pillman played the role that Bret would play in the nWo in '98 in that he would be an associate but not recognized as an official member of the group (Pillman kept putting that over whenever he was commentating on Shotgun Saturday Night).

[johnnypolo23]

Thanks! It is ironic that shortly after I posted this question, I read about Pillman being trained by Stu and wrestling for his Stampede organization in Bret's book.

Let's see. I've had my Macho Man coming back after his retirement angle question answered and now the Pillman/Hart Foundation question... this board kicks ass (LOL). Thanks again.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^No problem & I suggest if you have any spare $$$, pick up that Brian Pillman DVD WWE put out a few years ago.

[nabo rawk]

I have always been stumped as to how The Great Muta generated enough " green mist" during his matches????

was it hidden water, was it really spit..( gross)...

I am pretty sure the " green " was a capsule of some sort,but the " mist".....???????

[Gary]

I think it was just food colouring which when mixed with saliva would make the illusion once it was spat out, they'd get it from a capsule or have a portion of it (powdered) in a wrist band or in their tights, clever stuff....Tajiri's was the best :D

[nabo rawk]

cool cool, yeah man i figured thats what it had to be, I was just wacthing the bash 89 and it got me thinking...I gotta peep Tajiri, i think i remember the name but cant place which territory[s] he worked in????

[Death Approaches]

Yeah it was water with the colorant and all the things Gary said

[Sean_Carleton1]

Tajiri does not have shit on Muta!

[Death Approaches]

^^:lmao:

[Tommyspud]

I remember after Tajiri spit the mist, he had that stupid look on his face, that 'small open mouth that made him look like he regret what he did' XD... Somebody slap the mist out of him!

[Rockstar]

It was probably a big capsule of dyed water.

Plus, the mist isn't hard to do. I can do mists.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

cool cool, yeah man i figured thats what it had to be, I was just wacthing the bash 89 and it got me thinking...I gotta peep Tajiri, i think i remember the name but cant place which territory[s] he worked in????

Tajiri worked in ECW from '99 to when the company closed in '01 & went to WWE right afterwards & stayed until late '05/early '06 but came back months later to work the ONS PPV with Super Crazy vs. F.B.I. Tajiri got one of the best runs that a non-North American talent has ever had in WWE. He had charisma which went a long way.

The difference between how Muta & Tajiri did it was that Muta was "no frills" and just did it while Tajiri would do it like how Eddie Guerrero did his "Lie, Cheating, and Stealing" gimmick where he'd act like he didn't know what happened/play it off & other times just use it as a comedic prop.

[Cowboy From Hell]

The difference between how Muta & Tajiri did it was that Muta was "no frills" and just did it while Tajiri would do it like how Eddie Guerrero did his "Lie, Cheating, and Stealing" gimmick where he'd act like he didn't know what happened/play it off & other times just use it as a comedic prop.

Yeah, I agree. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Muta even used his mist to put out a fire on the cage at one of the Halloween Havok's back in the day.

[Sean_Carleton1]

^ Mutoh still is one bad motherfucker!

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Yeah, I agree. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Muta even used his mist to put out a fire on the cage at one of the Halloween Havok's back in the day.

Your right, that was the first Halloween Havoc back in '89 during his Thunderdome Cage Match with Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair & Sting...a match I highly recommend checking out for the record.

I think the first guy to do it in the U.S. though was Great Kabuki back in World Class but I'm not sure.

[Maxxy the Franchise]

Your right, that was the first Halloween Havoc back in '89 during his Thunderdome Cage Match with Terry Funk vs. Ric Flair & Sting...a match I highly recommend checking out for the record.

I think the first guy to do it in the U.S. though was Great Kabuki back in World Class but I'm not sure.

Kabuki was first... but I think he did it in Florida first...

And if you actually want to be further impressed by Muta... each mist color had a specific effect... I can't remember the effects now... but someone on here must know it... like Blue was for Sleep or something like that...

[Sean_Carleton1]

You do not wanna mess with the Black Mist!

[Cowboy From Hell]

Kabuki was first... but I think he did it in Florida first...

And if you actually want to be further impressed by Muta... each mist color had a specific effect... I can't remember the effects now... but someone on here must know it... like Blue was for Sleep or something like that...

From wiki:

Asian mist can come in almost any color, but the most common one used is green. In storyline, red ("burning mist") is said to burn more, while black ("poison mist") blinds. Other colors used are blue, which sends the opponent to sleep, yellow, which paralyzes the opponent, and green, which obscures an opponent's vision and apparently causes great discomfort.

[Sean_Carleton1]

I told you Black Mist wasn't the shit to fuck with!

[nabo rawk]

Hey guys I'm still searching for audio qoutes of the " Dean " saying his classic line, I'm also searching for Gorilla Monsoon's " Krainium " references in his commentary, I have several of Gorilla but I'm assuming there are more...any Youtube links would be appreciated

thanks

[Nature Boy]

^ Check out practically any main event with Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Terry Funk and nearly any NWA Cage Match.

Lot's of Crimson Mask references there...

[johnnypolo23]

Hey whatever happened to Mr. Hughes? I don't remember him after 1993.

[Maxxy the Franchise]

He stayed in ECW from 93 to 97 doing various unimportant things...

Went to WWF twice, once to play bodyguard for Triple H, before Chyna became that... then in 99 to bodyguard for Jericho...

And then he just wrestled various independents... which he still does today...























Whoops... my name isn't 4 Gold Scorpio... disregard this post ;)

[johnnypolo23]

I could've sworn that he was the butler or something for Hunter Hearst Helmsly, but wasn't certain. Thanks!

[Maxxy the Franchise]

That was hinted... but it was mainly a bodyguard type position... hell... they might have called him a butler who was a bodyguard... tough to remember the details...

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^He debuted at the '97 Royal Rumble as Hunter's "butler"

[Rebel Benoit]

That was hinted... but it was mainly a bodyguard type position... hell... they might have called him a butler who was a bodyguard... tough to remember the details...

He Basicly Played The Virgil To Hunters Million Dollar Man and was a Butler.

The Rebel Bad Ass

[Nature Boy]

I used to quite like Mr Hughes way back when.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

What's funny is that I never saw Mr. Hughes actual wrestle until that one tag match he did at the Clash with Vader against the Steiners & always wondered why they didn't team him with Vader more? It shows how much of a life I have when he still remember the angle where JYD headbutted him in the face with his glasses on, blinded him & turned him babyface for a while. I even caught some old footage of "Big Cat" Hughes on those old AWA reruns on ESPN Classics.

Anyways, I thought his wrestling wasn't much but he was great in that bodyguard role.

[johnnypolo23]

What ever happened to Ludvig Borga?

[Cruel Britannia]

He left wrestling, tried MMA where he lost to Randy Couture, became a politician in Finland, had a small part in Die Hard with a vengeance, wrote several books and recorded an album.

He's a busy boy lol

[Rebel Benoit]

Thanx Cruel i didnt know all that.

The Rebel Bad Ass

[johnnypolo23]

How did Bret Hart's singles career begin? I've read his book and watched his WWE dvd set, yet neither really talks about the transition from The Hart Foundation to just Bret Hart. Did the tag team just stop teaming with no explanation? What was the storyline?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Well, the thing about it is that there really wasn't a "storyline" transition as Bret & Niedhart would still work singles matches & have "house show" feuds against singles wrestlers on a regular basis starting in around the late '80s eventhough they were still acknowledged as a team as the Hart Foundation. You said you had Bret's DVD so you'll notice the match he had with Dibiase on there was in '89 when the Foundation were still a tag team at that time with another example was released on Mr. Perfect's DVD with a match he had with Bret around Apr. of '89 as well. The biggest example of this right off the top of my head are that Bret & Neidhart were in two completely different teams & two completely different matches during the '89 Survivor Series (Bret was on Duggan's team while Neidhart was on Warrior's team) while every other team in WWE at that time stuck together & was on the same team. Anyways, there wasn't a storyline end or anything...they lost the titles to the Nasty Boys & then just started putting over other teams (like their match with Legion Of Doom on their DVD) before going into singles wrestlers perminately but it was something being setup for the previous two years anyways.

[mrcool]

PPV was held on 1996.04.28.
I think This was the 1st time a Taker v Mankind match happened.I heard that it was a dark match & it's not on tape.
Is this true?
I just want to know whether Undertaker v Mankind match is included in the video?????

[Gary]

Yes it was the dark match and it was the first time they met, but wasn't on the Tagged Classic DVD release (IYH 2 DVD had some "dark matches" on though, but they might have been for colliseum anyways cos they had commentary) not sure about the Home Video though, but my guess is it wasn't.

[johnnypolo23]

I see. Thanks. That is odd that such a popular tag team would just stop tagging together. Odd how things worked out. You're quite the wealth of knowledge by the way ha ha

[Rebel Benoit]

I see. Thanks. That is odd that such a popular tag team would just stop tagging together. Odd how things worked out. You're quite the wealth of knowledge by the way ha ha

The Main Reason For The Break up of The Hart Doundation had more to Do with Jim The Anvil Neidharts Drug Problem then anything Else thats Prolly why there was never a real storyline for the break up of the Team.

if youve read Brets Book Youll Notice He Covers Both Davey Boy Smith and Jim Neidharts heavy Addiction to Crack along with other various Drugs.

The Rebel Bad Ass

[johnnypolo23]

Sorry, but it wasn't.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

PPV was held on 1996.04.28.
I think This was the 1st time a Taker v Mankind match happened.I heard that it was a dark match & it's not on tape.
Is this true?
I just want to know whether Undertaker v Mankind match is included in the video?????

No, it's not on the tape. The In Your House events were 2 hour PPV's but they had extra matches just for the live crowd like Mankind vs. Taker. The first televised Taker vs. Mankind match happened at King Of The Ring '96.

[The Sexecutioner]

I've got a hum-dinger... What was the highest rated wrestling show on record? Andif anybody knows for Brucie bonus points, what was the main event of that show?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

The Main Event episode back in Feb. '88 that had the WM3 rematch between Hogan & Andre where Andre won the title then forfitted it to Ted Dibiase. Around a 15 rating.

[The Sexecutioner]

^ Ty 4 gold :)

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Here's something...I know back in the day that the NWA World (Singles) Champion would go from territory to territory to defend the championship but I see no record of that happening for the NWA World Tag Team Champions. Unless I'm missing something, why didn't the tag team champions travel too?

[Hush]

^
Not really sure why but the NWA in its heyday never had one set of World Tag Team Champions. Most territories just had there own set of tag team champions that they recognised as NWA World Tag Team Champions but it wasn't until the 90s when the NWA influence on wrestling was waning and most of the old school territories were gone that they introduced a sole recognised NWA World Tag Team Championship.

[johnnypolo23]

Does anyone know who Shawn Michaels' knights were in the 1993 Survivor Series?

[Gary]

Off another forum:

Jeff Gaylord was the black knight, Greg Valentine was the blue knight and Barry Horowitz was the red knight.

Not sure if it's defo them though.

[L.A.I.N.E.Y.]

how many times did Dory Funk Jr appear in ECW? (I'm sure he was in at least once, tagging with Terry Funk)

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^That match was him & Funk vs. Public Enemy at Hostile City Showdown '94 and since your such a DVD fanatic, it's on the "Most Powerful Wrestling Families" DVD. But as for accurate number of appearences, I'm not sure but I know off his website that he was in a barbed wire match teaming with Funk against P.E. and a match against Shane Douglas.

[Rebel Benoit]

Off another forum:

Jeff Gaylord was the black knight, Greg Valentine was the blue knight and Barry Horowitz was the red knight.

Not sure if it's defo them though.

your Correct on Greg Valentine and Barry Horowitz but im not sure about the gay lord guy.

The Rebel Bad Ass

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^It was Jeff Gaylord

[johnnypolo23]

^^^It was Jeff Gaylord

Who was Jeff Gaylord? Did he do anything of notice?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Outside of winning the USWA Tag Team Titles with Jarrett twice...nothing I would concider important.

[L.A.I.N.E.Y.]

In January 2009, Gaylord, was arrested in connection with the bank robbery at a US Bank in Monument, Colorado as well as a robbery and attempted robbery at a branch in Castle Rock. In 2009, he was sentenced to six years in prison, after which he will be required to serve three years of supervised probation.

source: Wikipedia

little extra info on gaylord (hehe)

[johnnypolo23]

In January 2009, Gaylord, was arrested in connection with the bank robbery at a US Bank in Monument, Colorado as well as a robbery and attempted robbery at a branch in Castle Rock. In 2009, he was sentenced to six years in prison, after which he will be required to serve three years of supervised probation.

source: Wikipedia

little extra info on gaylord (hehe)

I'd definately call that something that makes the guy stand out! Ha ha ha

[catchfan]

My question is this. I heard the WWWF was a member of the NWA. If so, then how could there have been Sammartino as the WORLD champion there, and the NWA world champion existing at the same time? I have read several times that the NWA world champion was the WORLD champion of ALL the NWA member territories, but yet that these same territories each had their own individual world champions/ships! How in the world did that work?????????? That to me is my biggest obstacle in fully understanding how the old NWA territory worked. Also, what is the state of the NWA today exactly?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^The WWWF seperated from the NWA (eventhough Vince Sr. remained on the board of directors) before Bruno became the champion as Buddy Rogers was the first WWWF Champion.

As for how the territories worked...I explained it somewhat a while ago.


Well, the territory system worked where a certain company would control certain areas of a region & there was an "unwritten rule" that one company would not cross into another promotions (which Vince McMahon broke to create the WWE we know today). World Class Championship Wrestling was one of the territories that ran in the Texas area, Continental Wrestling ran around Memphis, the WWWF (Vince's dad's promotion) ran around the New York, Jim Crockett promotions (which would eventually become WCW) ran the Mid-Atlantic area like Georgia, Championship Wrestling From Flordia...well that one is kind of obivious.

The television was different for each area but for the most part, the territory controlled the TV through sydication or the public access channel for the real small local territories eventhough some territories would end up getting national television deals like Jim Crockett did through TBS, AWA through ESPN, and WWE through USA network. As for the shows themselves, again each one differs because some shows like "NWA World Championship Wrestling" had a 2 hour spot while some others like World Class would get an hour. As for match quality, it wasn't like the RAW's you see today where you see the big named superstars face each other in every match as they would save those for their big events like how WWE did for Saturday Night's Main Event. The normal TV show would have squash matches along with their occassional big name main event that you would see on wrestling shows today.

PPV didn't really come into play until around the mid-80's as they mostly used closed circuit television to broadcast events like how Jim Crockett used that format for his first couple of Starrcades & Vince used it for the first WrestleMania.

If you need a visual of how a territory worked then look at ECW because they were the last major territory in terms of only working in certain areas & having TV syndication for those markets.

But as for championships, the territories in the NWA had their own top championship but it wasn't concidered a "World Championship" as that title belonged to only one person who toured each territory to challenge one of the top contendors every few weeks.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Here's one...did anyone jump between both companies (WWE & NWA/WCW) more than Barry Windham did in the 80s/90s?

1. Worked NWA in the early 80's
2. Jumped to WWF to win tag team gold as the U.S. Express
3. Went back to NWA as a babyface & eventually a Horsemen
4. Jumped to WWF again to be the "Widowmaker"
5. Went back to WCW from the early to mid 90s
6. Went back to WWF as "The Stalker" & later a member of the Blackjacks
7. WCW again to team with Curt Hennig & form the West Texas Rednecks

[johnnypolo23]

This one is a toughy for you all. Who won the unification match between WWF Champion Bob Backlund and NWA Champion Ric Flair? I cannot seem to find the answer anywhere or any footage of the match.

Also, what was the outcome for both companies? How did the match affect the companies?

[The Sexecutioner]

^ I'm not sure :(

I also have a question, there were many promotions named World Championship Wrestling in the 80's, but how many were there?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

As far as it being the actual NAME OF THE PROMOTION, there were none that I know of eventhough the closest was "World CLASS Championship Wrestling" which was the home to the Von Erichs in Texas & "Championship Wrestling From Flordia" which was also one of the NWA's most well known territories. But there were plenty of TV shows that had a variation of that name as that was the original name of what you would later know as "WCW Saturday Night" back in the 80's as it was "NWA World Championship Wrestling" which was the flagship show of Jim Crockett Promotions. WWE also had their main syndicated show which was called "Championship Wrestling" which would eventually evolve into "Superstars Of Wrestling." But as for actual promotion/territory, don't recall any having that name.

[The Sexecutioner]

^ There was a WCW in Australia (apparently), and according to Wiki World Championship wrestling was used by a few terretories in the States, before being used nationally as the WCW we all know.

I know people think 50/50 on wiki, but I don't think that bit of info it's untrue tbh.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^Well the whole thing when it comes from Wiki is that unless I find that info. elsewhere from a more credible source...I never believe a word it says because I can just log in & edit/change the infomation myself to say whatever it wants.

[The Sexecutioner]

I know that it's probably the most unreliable, however I've found some very usefull information on there that I've not seen on wrestling websites. For example I couldn't find anything on IWA:MS's rebirth but found the particular article on Wiki. But yeah this is another discussion...

[The Sexecutioner]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Vince Russo undefeated in wrestling?

[vegeta02012]

Im don't know much about Russo's career, but the only match I remember seeing him in was when he won the wCw world title in a steel cage. I think he vacated the title rather then dropping it to someone else, so he might be undefeated, but Im not 100%

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^Vince Russo has wrestled in other matches as well but in his WCW career, I know he was never pinned/submitted. He's had matches (like the cage match against Flair where "new blood" spilled on them from the roof) where there was a no-contest or ended in a DQ but past that, nope.

In TNA however, he did lose a tag match with A.J. vs. Jarrett & Dusty but I'm not sure if Russo was the one who was pinned.


This one is a toughy for you all. Who won the unification match between WWF Champion Bob Backlund and NWA Champion Ric Flair? I cannot seem to find the answer anywhere or any footage of the match.

Also, what was the outcome for both companies? How did the match affect the companies?

Well the story behind this is that back in the day before Vince took the WWF national, WWF/WWWF had a working relationship with the NWA & even AWA eventhough the WWWF declaired themselves their own independent promotion (with Vince Sr. still being on the NWA board of directors on top of that) with their own champion. WWF at times would have NWA title defenses at MSG (one of them between Dusty vs. Race is on Dusty's DVD) & "unification" matches between the two champions but they would always either end in a time limit draw or some result where the titles don't change hands. I know Superstar Graham & Harley Race went to a draw as did Backlund & Bockwinkel later on while Backlund beat Race by DQ. But the match your asking about happened on July 4, 1982 and they went to a double DQ at the Omni. Why is there no footage, I'm not sure if the match was ever shown on TV.

[The Sexecutioner]

What was WCW's big PPV? I thought it was Starrcade, but Bischoff said he didn't see it as the 'big' one.

[Gary]

Starrcade was the big one, well it was claimed to be their "grandaddy of them all" (might have been called that after WWF/E used the phrase, not sure but it was always gonna be the big one cos it was the first one) and GAB was more often than not considered a big deal (probably due to the American patriotism and longevity of the event) so if any go against it for the "big one" label it'd be that I would think...but in this case I'm sure Eric is just speaking of personal opinion.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Starrcade was their big event. When Bischoff made that comment (I'm assuming you watched the DVD), he was talking about when he got to WCW at that time because when Turner completely took over WCW from '90-'92...it was treated as just another PPV & no longer their big show with the various concepts that had no build to it such as the tournaments & concepts they did during that time like BattleBowl.

The Great American Bash was more of a summer tour they did at first but then it became their "SummerSlam/Survivor Series/Royal Rumble" (depending on what you think is WWE's second biggest show of the year) before being completely phased out in '92 & only brought back in '95 as a regular monthly PPV.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Here's a question for anyone who would know but was there a storyline done for reason given on TV for Dusty Rhodes leaving the NWA at the end of '88? We know the real reason why backstage but I'm talking about in storyline.

[StevenQBosell]

Here's a question for anyone who would know but was there a storyline done for reason given on TV for Dusty Rhodes leaving the NWA at the end of '88? We know the real reason why backstage but I'm talking about in storyline.
Great question i would love to know why "storyline" he left NWA and hopped to Vince

Dude, where is the Macho Man... I love him... it seems that he was lumped in with Warrior... "never to be on WWE TV again"

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^The last anyone has seen or heard from Savage was that he did a voice in the animated movie "Bolt" that came out a while ago & at the premier, his beard was long & white as a ghost so his age really caught up with him to say the least. The last we saw of him wrestlingwise was back in late '04 in TNA when he was there for a month to work a program with Jeff Hardy & AJ Styles vs. Jarrett, Hall & Nash but he had a confrontation with Hulk Hogan backstage at the show which caused him to walk out of the next two TV tapings but they brought him back to finish the program but after he heavily botched the ending to the six man tag match at Turning Point, TNA let him go & we haven't seen him in wrestling sense.

As for his relationship with WWE, something happened between him & Vince years ago that sparked a whole bunch of rumors ranging from reasonable (he jumped to WCW without telling anyone after Vince secured him a "job for life" backstage in WWE) to just plain outragegous (like the rumor he did something sexual to Stephanie who was still a minor at the time he left) hense why WWE doesn't go out of their way to acknowledge Randy Savage in anyway, shape, or form outside of his recent DVD set.

[StevenQBosell]

...As for his relationship with WWE, something happened between him & Vince years ago that sparked a whole bunch of rumors ranging from reasonable (he jumped to WCW without telling anyone after Vince secured him a "job for life" backstage in WWE) to just plain outragegous (like the rumor he did something sexual to Stephanie who was still a minor at the time he left) hense why WWE doesn't go out of their way to acknowledge Randy Savage in anyway, shape, or form outside of his recent DVD set.

yeah, i've heard the Stwph rumor for a while now, but I kinda feel that "proper authorities" would have been involved.

As for the lifetime job, if thats the case, that would totally explain Vince being oblivious to Macho's existence. Although for Vince to hold a grudge for this long, with a fella like Macho who i truly marked out for, heel or face, is REALLY lame. I never kept up with Macho when he went to WCW ( I stopped watching in like '94, then started back upin '99) so i really can't comment on WCW run.

All i know is, the WWF would have been a totally different landscape w/o Macho... he deserves to be in the Hall. If there's room for Koko B. Ware in the GD hall, I think they can fit Macho in somewhere

[The Sexecutioner]

Was The Sandman ever a heel in ECW (when he officially debuted with The Sandman character) ? and if so, when?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^He was a heel for a while back in the early "Extreme" days up to early '96 when Woman left for WCW & the feud with Raven started.

[The Sexecutioner]

^ Cheers, I never watched much ECW, I always assumed he was always a crowd favorite (except fpr that time he admitted getting booed during his first few months)

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Maybe someone knows this one but I've heard Roddy Piper refer to himself as a cousin of the Hart Family various times & it's been played up once or twice on TV (like his shoot with Russo in TNA where he called Owen his cousin & the prematch interview at WM8 against Bret)...is that really true & through which family member is he related?

[The Sexecutioner]

^ I couldn't find anything valid, except for wiki, which says he's a cousin to the family.

While I'm here, I have one, tho it's more of a request really.

Does anyone have Raven's rant on people using wrestlers real names?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^Never heard anything about that.

I'm watching the Starrcade DVD & see that the Sting/Vader match was the finals of a tournament called "King Of Cable." This was during the WCW period where I didn't watch much but what was the purpose of this tournament & did it ever amount of anything?

[Nature Boy]

Does anyone know where Gary Michael Capetta is from, or where he was born?

It's funny, but going on a few online Wrestling profile/stat sites it doesn't seem to list anything for him...

[L.A.I.N.E.Y.]

how many times did Bret Hart face Hogan in WCW? I think they did once on Nitro in 98? What were the results.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Does anyone know where Gary Michael Capetta is from, or where he was born?

It's funny, but going on a few online Wrestling profile/stat sites it doesn't seem to list anything for him...

I don't know but I know he wrote a wrestling book in the past so I would check out information on that & maybe you'll find something.


how many times did Bret Hart face Hogan in WCW? I think they did once on Nitro in 98? What were the results.

Yeah, they've only fought once & it was on Hogan's last DVD WWE put out in Nov. Here's my review of that match....

vs. Bret Hart - Don't judge a book by it's cover here because eventhough this match is advertised as the first (and to my knowledge, ONLY) "Hogan vs. Hart" match, this was nothing more than a segment to help setup the Bret Hart/Sting match at Halloween Havoc the next month. A few minutes into the match, Hart heavily hurt his knee causing nWo Wolfpac to help him get medical help while Sting (who Bret had formed an alliance with weeks earlier) took his place in the match only for Hogan's nWo stable to attack the Wolfpack in the back leading to Hart turning on Sting & beating him down in the ring with the assistance of Hogan.
"WCW Monday Nitro" Sept. '98

[Rifky Rayn]

Ok then, I have a few questions regarding the terminology and its history. When for the first time the following terms were used in wrestling (in rather major promotions, of course):
- Cruiserweight - was it at the time when WCW established their Cruiserweight Championship (or renamed it from Lightweight, which was in 1996) or maybe some other promotion used this term before?
- Hardcore - not only Hardcore Title, but also Hardcore Match - when this word started to appear and what was its 'predecessor'? No Rules Match, Death Match, or something like that? Were there any differences between those types of matches?
- No DQ Match - same as above.
- All kinds of 3way matches - I believe it was Triangle Match in WCW (with the tag rules) and Three Way Match (?) in WWF. Triple Threat is a modern name, right? So those historic ones, when did they start to take place? Did all of them had the tag rules, or in some type were all three guys in the ring at the same time?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Cruiserweight - was it at the time when WCW established their Cruiserweight Championship (or renamed it from Lightweight, which was in 1996) or maybe some other promotion used this term before?

WCW was the first company I can recall using the term "crusierweight" in North American wrestling (can't speak for international promotions) back in 1996 when they restarted the division. Before then, they were referred to in WCW as light heavyweights (they only had that division for a year from Oct. 91-Sept. 92) which is what WWE also referred to them as when they did their version of a division in late 1997. Before that, they were always referenced as "junior heavyweights."


Hardcore - not only Hardcore Title, but also Hardcore Match - when this word started to appear and what was its 'predecessor'? No Rules Match, Death Match, or something like that? Were there any differences between those types of matches?
- No DQ Match - same as above.


WWE (and later WCW) didn't start actually refer to those types of matches as a "hardcore" match until around 1998 when ECW got real popular & along with the term "hardcore" which ECW branded itself as. Before then, it was generally called a No Disqualification match. Other different types of these matches were done as well very little difference. There was a street fight (or to play off their southern routes in the NWA, it would be called a "Bunkhouse Match") where usually the wrestlers came in their street clothes, a lights out match where it was put over that the promotion didn't sanction this match, or a falls count anywhere match. There was also the term a "No Holds Barred" match which was also refered to a "one fall to a finish" but those usually rely on the wrestlers doing a more aggressive style than just relying on weapons eventhough they were legal (see Bret/Diesel from S. Series 95 as a perfect example). That's all off the top of my head for now.
The (Texas) Death Match itself was what we refer to a Last Man Standing match today with the only difference being that in the Death Match, you have to score a pinfall before the referee begins the count of 10 while in WWE the referee starts the count whenever one of the wrestlers is down.


All kinds of 3way matches - I believe it was Triangle Match in WCW (with the tag rules) and Three Way Match (?) in WWF. Triple Threat is a modern name, right? So those historic ones, when did they start to take place? Did all of them had the tag rules, or in some type were all three guys in the ring at the same time?

There are 3 different types of 3 way matches & the orgin of each one came from a different company.
WWE = Triple Threat Match where all the wrestlers are in the ring at the same time & the first person to score the victory over another person wins the match. The first series of these types of matches that I can remember were from the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels/Sysco Sid feud back in late 96 eventhough the first televised one was on RAW in mid-1997 between Owen Hart (who was the I.C. champion), Triple H, and Goldust.
ECW = The three way dance which is just like a triple threat match except it's elimination rules meaning that once one guy is eliminated, the other two keep battling until another elimination happens & last man remaining is the winner. Of course the first match until this stipulation was the infamous "Night The Line Was Crossed" with Terry Funk vs. Sabu vs. Shane Douglas for the ECW Championship which was either in 1994 (the exact date escapes me right now).
WCW = Their version was the Triangle match & the first one on TV was back at Fall Brawl 94 with Sting vs. Vader vs. Guardian Angel (Ray Traylor) and their rules were setup like a tag match where two guys wrestler while one stands on the apron & they can tag in the third guy on the outside at anytime while this was also under elimination rules meaning two guys have to get beat with the last man remaining being the winner.
These days, the common usage & rules for these matches are under WWE's "Triple Threat" rules.

[Rifky Rayn]

Thanks. I asked all those questions, 'cause I'm writing a wrestling story that starts in 1987 and I wasn't sure when I'm 'allowed' to use each terms.

Dating the word 'cruiserweight' back to 1996 concerned me a bit, but I checked Wikipedia and it seems it was used in boxing since the mid 1990s, which comforted me a little.

Do you know maybe when ECW started using the term 'hardcore'?
Also, according to your reply, there were no threeway matches of any kind in any major promotion before 1994, is that correct? That's odd to me, actually.

[sabukudragon]

The original ECW pioneered the concept of three men competing in a one fall match. Before then, all the older guys would scoff at such an idea. You can say ECW was "pushing the envelope"...But I feel the match was designed as a way for "Wrestler A" to drop the title to "Wrestler C" without having to do the job (enter "Wrestler B").

WCW vaguely used the term "Cruiserweight" before they debuted a CW title and a division. Going 1996 might be a little generous... I think WCW was still using "Super Junior" at that point. In reality, WCW's Cruiserwieght division was a blatant attempt to replicate the puro Super Juniors.

As far as "Hardcore Wrestling' goes... wasn't that just what the kids were calling it at the time? I always remembered ECW referring to themselves as being "not for everybody". I remember the "cult following" of kids labeling their ECW "hardcore"... which ultimately led to the company naming their weekly tv show after the moniker.

[Rifky Rayn]

Okay then, thanks again.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Also, according to your reply, there were no threeway matches of any kind in any major promotion before 1994, is that correct? That's odd to me, actually.


The original ECW pioneered the concept of three men competing in a one fall match. Before then, all the older guys would scoff at such an idea. You can say ECW was "pushing the envelope"...But I feel the match was designed as a way for "Wrestler A" to drop the title to "Wrestler C" without having to do the job (enter "Wrestler B").

ECW's 3 way matches were called the "3 way dance" in which it was double elimination so the champion would have had to been defeated in the match regardless to change the title. It wasn't until WWE came up with the their own concept of a "triple threat" match where the championship could change hands without the champion losing. But yeah, there were no concepts of a 3 way match until ECW.


Dating the word 'cruiserweight' back to 1996 concerned me a bit, but I checked Wikipedia and it seems it was used in boxing since the mid 1990s, which comforted me a little.


WCW vaguely used the term "Cruiserweight" before they debuted a CW title and a division. Going 1996 might be a little generous... I think WCW was still using "Super Junior" at that point. In reality, WCW's Cruiserwieght division was a blatant attempt to replicate the puro Super Juniors.

WCW didn't start using the actual term "crusierweights" until around late 1995-1996 during the early Nitro era when they started bringing in the international athletes (Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko with the luchadors & japanese wrestlers like Mysterio & Psychosis & Ultimo Dragon coming later along with others like Jericho). Before then, they weren't really labeled by their size with the exception of the year WCW had their "light heavyweight" division that I explained earlier. WCW never used the term "super junior." "Junior Heavyweights" was the term was used in the 1980's back when the company was Jim Crockett Promotions under the NWA banner to label that division.


Do you know maybe when ECW started using the term 'hardcore'?


As far as "Hardcore Wrestling' goes... wasn't that just what the kids were calling it at the time? I always remembered ECW referring to themselves as being "not for everybody". I remember the "cult following" of kids labeling their ECW "hardcore"... which ultimately led to the company naming their weekly tv show after the moniker.

ECW were using the terms "extreme" & "hardcore" before they became popular in pop culture around the same time they withdrew from the NWA (when Shane Douglas threw down the NWA Title) but the matches where never officially labeled "hardcore matches" until WWE caught ahold of it & started labeling the matches that way with the start of the Hardcore Title in late 98.

[Madroxwannabe]

I was watching some Botchamania on Youtube, and Joey Styles mentioned an "incident" he couldn't talk about and it wasn't on tape. I am unsure it's the Mass Transit incident (as that's all over the internet and New Jack and Kid Kash talk about it on forever hardcore, the dvd I believe the quote is from) ANYWAY, I was just wondering if it IS said incident or one I am not aware of.

Cheers for any response

and sorry if this is in the wrong section

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Moved to Old School Question thread.

Anyways, there were a few incidents like that in ECW where "they couldn't find the tape" of what happened. There is footage of the Mass Transit incident so I doubt that's it but I know one of the incidents where there wasn't much footage of (or so they say) was the incident that Mick Foley called "The October To Forget" where a towel that was on fire flew into the crowd causing a huge evacuation of the ECW arena with the fire marshalls being called as well.

[Sabin Shelley Army]

It's been discussed everywhere that Paul Heyman was bad with money and didn't pay the wrestlers very much and a lot of checks bounded on top of that. I'm pretty sure that Van Dam has said that he was always paid (since he could have left for the WWF at any time), but that's not the case for everyone else.

The question is: when did Heyman start having his financial trouble and not pay the wrestlers? I seriously doubt ECW would have lasted so long if he wasn't paying the wrestlers since day one. So was there a point where he gradually stopped paying the guys or was it always like that? I would guess those practices probably started in the late 90s when they started trying to hold PPVs more consistently.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

The period everyone starts pointing to is 1999 when they started expanding their business as far as traveling, merchandising, licensing, PPV revenue, ect. as far as the financial problems starting to take their effect with people not getting payed on time & checks bouncing. It got real bad around the last year of the company where certain stars were just owed so much money that they just up & left without notice stating a breach of contract while some continued to work for free. As for Heyman not paying to talents...it's always a "case by case" basis as some wrestlers have testified that they always got paid, some say they never did, some said they have but got it late, and some of the people who have talked about this situation have a reputation for not telling the complete truth (Heyman included) & going into business for themselves when stating their "revisionist" history.

[L.A.I.N.E.Y.]

The period everyone starts pointing to is 1999 when they started expanding their business as far as traveling, merchandising, licensing, PPV revenue, ect. as far as the financial problems starting to take their effect with people not getting payed on time & checks bouncing. It got real bad around the last year of the company where certain stars were just owed so much money that they just up & left without notice stating a breach of contract while some continued to work for free. As for Heyman not paying to talents...it's always a "case by case" basis as some wrestlers have testified that they always got paid, some say they never did, some said they have but got it late, and some of the people who have talked about this situation have a reputation for not telling the complete truth (Heyman included) & going into business for themselves when stating their "revisionist" history.

Nunzio said pretty much got a good cheque every second week I think. Storm got paid every week when he demanded it apparently before leaving for WCW. I believe RVD was owed over 100k by the time ECW died.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Has anyone ever heard of a No Disqualification match ending in a countout?

[Gary]

I used History of WWE to make this list:

WWF @ Boston, MA - Boston Garden - October 4, 1986 (8,000)
Televised on NESN - included Gorilla Monsoon & Gene Okerlund on commentary:
WWF IC Champion Randy Savage defeated George Steele via count-out in a No DQ match at 3:46 when Savage crawled back into the ring after Steele choked him with his own robe; after the bout, Steele hit Savage with a foreign object and busted him open
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WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - October 12, 1986 (10,000)
WWF IC Champion Randy Savage defeated George Steele in a No DQ match via count-out
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WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - December 28, 1986 (18,000; sell out)
Kamala (w/ the Wizard & Kimchee) defeated WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan in a No DQ match via count-out after Hogan attacked Wizard & Kimchee on the floor
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WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - June 25, 1988 (18,300)
Prime Time Wrestling - 7/4/88: George Steele defeated Greg Valentine via count-out in a No DQ match at 6:35 after Steele chased Valentine around the ring after Valentine stole Steele's Mine doll
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WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 30, 1988 (16,000)
Televised on the MSG Network
The Powers of Pain (w/ Mr. Fuji) defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition via count-out at 6:55 in a No DQ match; after the bout, the champions cleared the POP from the ring after the challengers began posing with the belts
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WWF @ Hartford, CT - Civic Center - December 31, 1988 (6,700)
The Powers of Pain defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition via count-out in a No DQ Match
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WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens - January 29, 1989 (matinee)
The Powers of Pain defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition via count-out in a No DQ match
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WWF @ Philadelphia, PA - Spectrum - February 11, 1989 (10,017)
The final Spectrum event televised on the PRISM Network
WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition defeated the Powers of Pain (w/ Mr. Fuji) via count-out in a No DQ match at 7:29 when Warlord was counted out after brawling with Ax on the floor, with Ax then breaking Fuji's cane over Warlord's back as he tried to re-enter the ring
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WWF @ Dallas, TX - Reunion Arena - June 14, 1998 (9,899)
The Undertaker defeated Kane via count-out in a No DQ match after throwing Kane into the ring steps
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WWE @ Cincinnati, OH - US Bank Arena - March 29, 2004
Raw
Tajiri defeated Kane via count-out in a No DQ match at 1:44 after spraying green mist into his opponent's eyes as Kane attempted to reenter the ring; after the bout, Kane hit the chokeslam on Tajiri before Edge made the save and hit the spear

So some of them were televised, it's only the Kane vs Tajiri one I've seen and tbh didn't even remember it being No DQ.

I don't think it was announced as one, but triple thread matches are No DQ (well you'd expect them to be) but I do remember this one:

WWF @ Anaheim, CA - Arrowhead Pond - July 27, 1998 (12,019; sell out)
Raw is War:
Triple H (w/ Chyna) and X-Pac defeated WWF IC Champion the Rock via count-out at 6:55 when the champion left ringside as Triple H and X-Pac were busy fighting in the ring

Didn't find any WCW ones, but I'd guess they had some that did, found this though that's worth a giggle

WCW @ Palmetto, FL - February 17, 1998
WCW Saturday Night taping:
2/28/98:
Chris Benoit defeated Raven via disqualification in a No DQ match when Perry Saturn interfered

[198d]

billy gunn goldust and val venis competed in a triple threat on raw once with i think venis retianing the ic title by countout

[198d]

I've got two questions, first after watching an old ecw tape, how did they get the rights to metallica, pantera, etc? it seems like it would've cost a fortune. Secondly, when hogan came out at wrestlemania 3 gorilla monsoon says "win lose or draw its the last night hulk will wear that particular belt" what does he mean by that? the new belt design didn't appear for over a year, and the belt they had made for andre was never used except for a few interviews.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^Paul Heyman had connections in the music industry that allowed him to clear & use this music plus the fact that ECW was so small based (they were only shipping VHS tapes out of their warehouse) that the royality claims from using the music wasn't even a factor. As you can see, that changed when ECW got so big that when they started putting out their DVD sets that some of the music had to be either edited out or changed (on the ECW DVD's, Sandman comes out to a Motorhead cover of "Enter Sandman").

And I never caught that line until recently but I do not know if that was a hickup from Monsoon or not because Hogan did continue to use that belt until a few months later when the "Winged Eagle" came about.

[Maxxy the Franchise]

Being out of touch with the wrestling industry for almost a year now, just have to ask... What happened with Dawn Marie and her allegedly stealing money from the charity she head(ed)s?

Last I heard, there was something like the IRS was investigating finanical improprieties... Just wondering what happened with it?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

No update was ever given about that Maxx

[The Mac]

ya i just searched and found nuttin so guess it was swept under the rug lol

[26:The_Game]

I have a interest in becoming a professional wrestler, Im 18 and slightly athletic:
Six feet 180 pounds
very small amatuer high school J.V. wrestling background (i know that doesnt really matter but it doesn't hurt)
play basketball all day everyday
i skate so i know how to take a fall

I just wanna try and get a few answers to these questions:

I dont care about where i would work, hell i dont care about being on tv either but i know every company have different interests, like WWE and all that PG shit. I wanna hear from someone who is very knowledgeable about the industury; all aspects of it, about what all these companies find employee worthy? if you understand what i mean.

What are some of the best wrestling schools in the midwest area? I would like to learn more about actual wrestling as well, so schools that teach both is what im lookin for.

What would be the best forum for me to go to besides this one with questions like these?

As I said before I have a strong interest in this type of work, i would like to start training A.S.A.P. so i would like to hear your answers A.S.A.P. Any help would be greatly appreciated

[Strawberries & Cream]

I don't think coming on here and asking for a better forum to go to is a good start...

[26:The_Game]

Im just lookin for any help possible. I googled best pro wrestling forum and this came up.

[198d]

depends where you live at, but ohio valley wrestling is a great school, right now it costs 1000 but i expect it to go up soon with the tna involvement

[Lord Tensai]

CZW got an Academy in the Midwest.

[26:The_Game]

depends where you live at, but ohio valley wrestling is a great school, right now it costs 1000 but i expect it to go up soon with the tna involvement

Yeah thats one of the places i had in mind. As of right now $1000 is out of the question maybe in a few months ill be able to, even if they do jack it up cause of TNA. Speaking of which im glad TNA has them now I think eventually TNA will pull ahead of WWE if they dont get there shit straight, which it looks like it wont soon since Vince is acting crazy.

Wrestlemania 28 is shaping up to be alright though, havin shawn ref the taker hhh match makes it interesting.

[26:The_Game]

CZW got an Academy in the Midwest.

Thanks for the info. Are they located anywhere near Illinois? Do you have any idea how much they charge?

[Archer123]

1. I have read from several sites that Austin was supposed to put over HHH at WM 18. If so, who would Scott Hall have faced?

2. Apparently a Rock-HBK match was discussed for WM 19 at one point and Rock refused. Had he not, who would have Austin faced in his final match?

3. Christians WM record is 4-5. I always figured this was because he won a hardcore title at WM 18, but didn't lose it right back? Wouldn't that make him 4-6?

Any help with these little trivias would be highly appreciated.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

1. I have read from several sites that Austin was supposed to put over HHH at WM 18. If so, who would Scott Hall have faced?

The Austin/HHH match was going to be booked provided that Austin remained a heel but he didn't & was turned back babyface. Scott Hall hadn't even signed with WWE at the time yet so he wasn't a factor in anything.


2. Apparently a Rock-HBK match was discussed for WM 19 at one point and Rock refused. Had he not, who would have Austin faced in his final match?

Never heard this story before so I take it was just a false rumor.


3. Christians WM record is 4-5. I always figured this was because he won a hardcore title at WM 18, but didn't lose it right back? Wouldn't that make him 4-6?

Let's Look...
WM2000 - Won The Ladder Match (1-0)
WMX7 - Won The TLC Match (2-0)
WMX8 - Lost To DDP (2-1)
WMX8 - Won The Hardcore Title (3-1)
WMX8 - Lost The Hardcore Title (3-2)
WMXX - Won vs. Chris Jericho (4-2)
WM21 - Lost The MITB Match (4-3)
WM22 through WM24 he was in TNA
WM25 - Lost The MITB Match (4-4)
WM26 - Lost The MITB Match (4-5)
WM27 was the manager of Edge

So the record is 4 wins & 5 losses