The Official "What I dislike about TNA's Current Direction" Thread

[Sweet N' Sour]

Discuss what you dislike about TNA's current product. If you like the current direction, then intelligent rebuttal is welcome (I.E No insulting other members) :)

[Gary]

I'll not go into too much detail but a big problem TNA have had even as much so as when they only had an hour, is that people are on the show one week then off the next and it's like what the hell.

Petey X Champ, can't recall a recent time where he's been a consistant part of the show, same with Beer Money, they win the belts and they struggle to get on the show seemingly.

Same happened with Rock n Rave a few months/weeks past, no where to be seen then randomly there.

People can say it's time issues, maybe so, better excuse when it was 1 hour if you ask me but anyways, it's a bad booking move to keep guys off the show when you are trying to build towards something.

E.g. Petey vs Kaz at Slammy hardly had any interaction cos they were rarely on the show. Or Dutt vs Lethal, a ladder match is announced, so why aren't they on the show?! It should be a big deal.

I'll save more for later...

[The Dudebuster]

Not much detail required on this one but I hate when it's "1-2-3, he wins wow what a victory, to the back with *an interviewers name*"

They can't seem to make moments mean anything.

[ChrisK Punk]

i hate the entrance video's before they actually come out that's gay

i hate how bright it is in the impact zone

i hate people like jay lethal and sonjay's fued

i hate PJB, Super Eric

I Hate Booker's Accent

I hate Abyss in white and talking

I hate The Booking!

[The Dudebuster]

i hate the entrance video's before they actually come out that's gay

Same here, I mean especially when it's a "surprise" arrival yet there tron is on que, stupid really.

I dislike the amount of times they plug the game to people who are defo gonna buy it anyways, the intro and trons with the game got annoying fast.

[darkwolf]

i Hate PJB

I hate the Lethal vs Dutt feud- common fighting for Val ? She's not that hot

I can't stand BG and Kip

[RasslingFanatic]

TNA is lost. There two hour shows are nothing but a big cluster fuck.

[Emir Parkreiner]

TNA is lost. There two hour shows are nothing but a big cluster fuck.

:rolleyes: care to elaborate?

What I really don't like is what has been mentioned here before where after a win of a match you will get something like this

"1-2-3, oh my what an amazing win, lets see that finnisher again Don" *replay shows of impressive finnish* "right now off to the back with JB with something thats far more important than the ending of this match that we just witnessed, JB over to you" or some paraphrasing of this sentence.

It gets annoying that an interview with Angle, or AJ is more important than anything else in the show.

I don't like Super Eric. I DO like Eric Young i think he's got good talent and is a great performer and a character that the younger kids can cheer for. But Super Eric is just stupid.

And also I dont like Sting :shifty: there I said it :shifty:

I can't stand the whole look up in the rafters thing and there he is. Its not so much Sting as the blatant mis-use or lack of use by the creative team but Sting at the moment can be off my screen and make way for Foley

*blatantly marks out for one of my all time favourite wrestlers* <--------- and I don't care.

[t0rment2004]

My biggest complaint with TNA is that they have the greatest athletes in the business (Joe, Styles, Daniels and Kaz to name a few) but they put them in horrible storylines that ruin their characters/make stupid new ones.

Other ones include the current direction of Abyss. I think that he has a good voice for doing promos while staying in character, but the writing usually ruins that. I'd also like to see him get his black mask and old costume back.

Don West sucks at his job.

VKM should have been fired like a year ago.

That's about it, I think.

[Gary]

My biggest beef with TNA is probs there inability to push talent and to have an elevation tier system in place.

Like have a group of ME guys
Mid card guys who can go up to ME level
so on and so on

They don't have that and that's why we see guys like Roode and Storm who could have been someone when they went solo were left in over stretched mid card feuds with Eric Young and others

Call me a fanboy but WWE has and always had this sort of system in place, you can see who the next guys are by how they are booked and there role on the card, TNA seem to have no direction in this sense and that's why no new stars are being made, exactly what WCW's problem was.

[The Sexecutioner]

Call me a fanboy but WWE has and always had this sort of system in place, you can see who the next guys are by how they are booked and there role on the card, TNA seem to have no direction in this sense and that's why no new stars are being made, exactly what WCW's problem was.

Fanboy! :shifty:

It's a different situation tho. WWE can make stars as they are the #1 company and they have the biggest stars. And since they have the biggest starts, the biggest stars can put over the younger guys e.g Cena, Kendrick, CM Punk ..

With TNA having ony a small percentage of big name guys (Sting, Angle, Nash, Booker T) there are only so many young guys they can put overy dont have the advantage that WWE has to put the younginns over.

[Gary]

Fanboy! :shifty:

It's a different situation tho. WWE can make stars as they are the #1 company and they have the biggest stars. And since they have the biggest starts, the biggest stars can put over the younger guys e.g Cena, Kendrick, CM Punk ..

With TNA having ony a small percentage of big name guys (Sting, Angle, Nash, Booker T) there are only so many young guys they can put overy dont have the advantage that WWE has to put the younginns over.

I think that's a crap excuse tbh, a 3 month feud isn't needed, teaming with them, a segment, 6 man against them, it's called a rub.

:-/ And I don't care for another fanboy reference

[TNAFan2385]

Im not trying to be negative, but during the Creed vs. Sheik match at last weeks Impact show, TNA reportedly lost 95,000's viewers. It's quite easy to see why.


Other than the fact that Creed is a good talent, the whole booking is out of wack.

As it stands theres 3 , yes 3 competitors in the X-division, Creed, Sheik and Petey... Now thats just sad, what happened to one of the most respected divisions in wrestling.

Lethal and Dutt are stuck in sum gimmick,
Styles and Joe have moved up to the Championship picture.
Sabin and Shelley(two of the best wrestlers!!) are stuck as a tag-team and for sum reason cant ever be booked in a 1-on-1,
and Daniels has been "fired".

So there u have it, all the best ex X-division wrestlers are stuck in another angle.

But wait, why not bring in sum fresh faces, build up the division a little bit, put Petey over with a great match against an unknown idie...isnt that how Lethal made it big?...

But Noo we get an x-WWE guy that couldnt even make it as a manager in wwe be pushed as the #2 heel, and not only that, u make the #2 heel in the division get smashed by a ref...Bravo, great booking, great way to kill the x-division. I seriously feel the Knockout's division is now tuffer than the X-division, Kong can smash a Ref, and ref can smash an x division star. just great.
Whats next Don West becomes the champ??

[Maxxy the Franchise]

Meh... just because some wrestlers are in a separate storyline or not exactly in contention for the belt, doesn't mean they're out of the division...

The X-Division where it stands today...

Sheik Bashir (my perennial favourite at the moment), Consequences Creed, Curry Man, Eric Young and Super Eric (remember... for storyline reasons, they are two separate men), Jay Lethal, Johnny Devine, Petey Williams, Shark Boy, and Sonjay Dutt.

Where it stands... it's a pretty stacked division... thus the storylines for the Prince Justice Brotherhood and Lethal/Dutt. Probably one of the better times for competition for the division... albeit... they aren't no AJ Styles, Chris Daniels, or Samoa Joe... but they all bring a unique quality to the table to make the division better.

And on the topic of the Motor City Machine Guns... First off, they're over more as a tag team... why would you break them up? And secondly... as I remember... the smark community was really pushing for those two to be reunited. Why turn your backs on them now?

About the indy wrestler... why would you bring in an unknown to go fifty/fifty with the champion... TNA isn't a indy fed anymore... most of its fanbase now is mainstream wrestling fans... and the champion would only look weak if you bring in an unknown... Now that... is bad booking sir.

And Bashir is a hell of a talent... he's my favourite in the whole division right now. And secondly... that referee is a wrestler on the indy circuit... TNA is probably going to bring him in slowly as one (as a wrestler).

So there you have it... as for the ratings loss... I have no idea... usually, those 80,000 - 100,000 only tune in to see Sting and the Knockouts... so there you have it :)

[NaturalBornThriller]

Not sure how much this factors in as I didnt watch it but last Thursday was opening week for the NFL season, so Im sure that didnt help ratings out at all.

[TNAFan2385]

Okayy.. so i missed counted and left PJB out, but that still really doesnt add much ..to me its almost like an attempt to group the remainder of the xdivision into one stable to make them relevant (btw i dig the Shark Boy gimmick) ....

and dont get me wrong, Sheik Bashir is a good worker. But getting squashed by a ref, thats just sad (the average fans' not gonna know that the ref is a wrestler on the indy circuit)

The whole thing with the Motor City Machine Guns is that they should continue to be a tag team, but why just limit them to a tag team.. why cant they have a singles bout, and be active in the x-division???

I know you cant please everyone, and im no booker...but if ur main x-division segment lost 90,000 viewers thats gotta be a sign that the x-division is weak, that or the Klawz saying speaks truth for TNA's xdivision.

Either way i'll still give TNA a chance to prove me wrong, i hope they can restore the respect the division once had..

[t0rment2004]

Creed is great for the health of the X-Division. He has great moves, a good gimmick and a personality that reminds me of Booker T in his WCW days.

I'm not sure about the Steiner gimmick, but Petey Williams is great in the ring. What they could do with Williams is have Rick and Scott hang around with him (Scotty wouldn't have to do matches, just some of those really good promos) and give him the rub as an honorary Steiner Brother. Like what 3-D was doing with Johnny Divine until they ruined that. Only.. don't ruin it.

Shark Boy should stop talking and take off the Stone Cold vest. Other than that, he's just as good as he always was.

Curry Man should be phased out and replaced with Christopher Daniels over a period of time. And not the one in the new TNA game, the pre-gospel-gimmick one.

Super Eric should cease to exist. A public unmasking by a heel should do the job. EY is much better as the TNA hype man anyway.

The current plan to have Kaz come back as Suicide should be nixed. He should come back, but as himself.

Bashir doesn't seem like X-Division material, but since he's in there I guess putting him in multi-person matches for a while would be okay.

Chris Sabin should be pushed in singles. I hate to say it, but due to Shelley refusing to blade that one time it seems MCMG is forever screwed. I could easily see Sabin winning the X-Division title back if said match was Ultimate X.

Johnny Divine is pretty much screwed push-wise. Unless they brought back Team Canada.

As far as I know, Elix Skipper is still there but also screwed unless XXX comes back.

Lethal/Dutt should END already. I could see Dutt in a tag team with Bashir and Lethal going for the title again.

I think that's about it. I'd say they have the stars, all they have to do is book them correctly.

[Sweet N' Sour]

Generally matches lose viewers. I've only seen bits and peices of TNA in the last month, (I.e Sting angle) so i cant really comment on whats going on with the X title.

[The Dudebuster]

Petey X Champ, can't recall a recent time where he's been a consistant part of the show, same with Beer Money, they win the belts and they struggle to get on the show seemingly.

It's a bad booking move to keep guys off the show when you are trying to build towards something.

E.g. Petey vs Kaz at Slammy hardly had any interaction cos they were rarely on the show. Or Dutt vs Lethal, a ladder match is announced, so why aren't they on the show?! It should be a big deal.

Quoted some of an old post, which again are a feature of this months ppv build.

So the last form of interaction for the X Title match we had was one of them being beat up by a ref?

Beer Money not on the show, same with LAX, I wonder why I don't care about that match...

Another thing I'm hating about TNA, especially this weeks show is making things go way too fast, important segments etc taking a minute or two to wrap up and after that no one cares.

[Sean_Carleton1]

Ridiculous gimmick matches with ridiculous out comes need to go.

[The Dudebuster]

Ridiculous gimmick matches with ridiculous out comes need to go.

Tbh I have no problem with gimmick matches or using a few per ppv but what TNA's problem is they don't make them meaningful or make them feel special e.g. like ANOTHER ladder match at NS when there was a needless one a couple of weeks back on Impact.

[Gary]

Tbh I have no problem with gimmick matches or using a few per ppv but what TNA's problem is they don't make them meaningful or make them feel special

:agree:

Also they need better writing/production/excecution of there segments/promos the meant to be important ones of the show Joe/Nash, AJ/Trigg, Joe/Sting/Jarrett were way too short, now I know people bitch about how long segments are bad but IMO a good 10 minute plus segment is way more effective than a 3-4 minute segment, a 5 minute "for the hell of it" match with 1 minute entrances.

[The Dudebuster]

now I know people bitch about how long segments are bad but IMO a good 10 minute plus segment is way more effective than a 3-4 minute segment, a 5 minute "for the hell of it" match with 1 minute entrances.

:agree:

Biggest problem of this weeks show IMO was the rushing of the segments...oh and having no real good matches didn't help either.

Abyss needs his own talk show or something, the guy was comical in the ME! :lmao:

[t0rment2004]

Long segments can be good but if they are ridiculously long like the ones the WWE do, it's just not worth the airtime. They didn't name the promotion Total Nonstop Boredom, did they?

[Gary]

^ To quote myself:


a good 10 minute plus segment is way more effective than a 3-4 minute segment, a 5 minute "for the hell of it" match with 1 minute entrances.

I don't find segments boring, done right they can be highligts of shows, they develop characters and storylines...oh but that means no flippy floppy BS, boo hoo :-/

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Well, here's the one thing that I really hate about TNA's current direction....and it's not even a creative issue. It's their production! Seriously, they've been doing this for over 6 years now & there is no excuse for the stupid mistakes they still make TOO OFTEN to this day. Like I watched the MMA match at NS & it was obivious that the crowd turned on the match with their "Fire Russo" & "We Want Wrestling" chants...SO WHY GO TO A CLOSE UP SHOT OF THE CROWD BURING THE MATCH DOING THESE CHANTS!!! The production truck shows all the camera angles all the time so whoever was the dumbass that said "go to that camera angle" needs to be fired. That's just happened too many times where they go to shots of the crowd & their either doing an anti-TNA chant or clearly not paying attention to what's going on. Same goes for the guys who keep missing the camera angles for the high spots during X division type matches when the wrestlers 9 times out of 10 signal that they're going to dive over the top rope or perform a high flyin' move, everyone knows it's coming so how in the hell can you miss it on camera?

And going back even further to that gauntlet they did weeks ago where they didn't even acknowledge B.G. James past the 30 secs. he was fighting with Kip after the show was taped for weeks now...that was careless & brings up another point in which shows they need a overhall in the production team. TNA tapes two weeks of shows on back to back nights so while the first episode is only around 2-3 days old (not sure if they always tape on Tuesdays now) but the second episode is over a week old & that's more than enough time for post production to fix these errors that happen so often like the Rikishi promo that he didn't even get Robert Roode's name right, that could have been easily edited out but it wasn't. The same here can be said for their DVD's as well as they don't post-edit these mistakes by switching to alternative camera angles or editing out the problems to at least.

That honestly just gets to me more than anything else creative does since at times I can ignore the creative (or lack of) aspect of their shows in favor of the actual wrestling but when the product just ruins the wrestling too then that's a major problem.

[Gary]

Like I watched the MMA match at NS & it was obivious that the crowd turned on the match with their "Fire Russo" & "We Want Wrestling" chants...SO WHY GO TO A CLOSE UP SHOT OF THE CROWD BURING THE MATCH DOING THESE CHANTS!!! The production truck shows all the camera angles all the time so whoever was the dumbass that said "go to that camera angle" needs to be fired.

:lmao: That was maybe the most stupid thing they've ever done lol

[Sweet N' Sour]

:lmao: That was maybe the most stupid thing they've ever done lol

Maybe they're morons, and think when people chant "Fire Russo", its means Russo is on fire with his writing :shifty:

[Gary]

:lmao:
I think that comment from dan takes this to a "mock and hate TNA thread"...

[BGA_Bootsman]

Get rid of Russo........i don't hate the guy like most do.......but it's time for some new ideas......all these gimmick matches and constant swerves are starting to wear a bit thin.

Also......give some life back to the X division......todays X division is becoming a joke really......when you think about it......there is only Creed, Williams and Sheik in it.

I wont stop watching TNA coz i have been doing so since day 1......but i do cringe on a regular basis when i watch impact.

'Now lets go backstage to Lauren'

GET THAT BITCH OFF MY TV!!

Open the show with a match....instead of the soap opera crap......last weeks show had 1 SHORT match in the first 30 mins.

Stop rushing everything like you only have a 30 minute show FOR FUCK SAKE!! :scream1:

Get the belt off Joe......give him another title run in 6 months or so as a heel.....and get him back to the 'Joe's gonna kill you' character.

End of vent.

[RKO]

TNA alright i mean they have alot of things they gotta work out but at the end tna will be fine. They will be a great and i mean great wrestling promotion that will give wwe a run for their money one day.

[hanibal]

I notice were tna is failing to improve their product is they lack storyline with no controversy. If they had more controversial storyline tna rating would be higher. If I was booking the mainevent mafia storyline I would have sting to blame the fans for supporting the tna originals lack of respect. I would have him attack a fans. Sting probally want do that because he wants to be a face. Him trying to be a face in this storyline is hurting this big angle. Russo was the king of controversy but lost his edge after leaving the wwe. Since tna want the cross the line create more controversy storylines.

[John]

What? TNA is Failing?? TNA is improving.

Erm, Isn't the MeM controversial? The Main Event Mafia is adding Controversy to the Show.

[RKO]

Well the MEM vs. TNA Originals storyline should do the trick and make TNA a little better. So far its going good.

[hanibal]

Sting face heel approach make it look sloppy.

[hanibal]

Sting need to cooperate with being a heel. Yes some heels get cheered, but people like steve austin did tried to act heel while sting sting not being cooperative. Stuff like that hurted wcw and will hurt tna.

[Gary]

Tbh controversy doesn't draw much anymore, not many things alone draw in wrestling anymore, yet individual things drive people away (e.g. the departures of Austin and Rock and the prescence of Cena) it's a tough biz these days, but TNA are at least managing to maintain an audience and in all honesty this MEM/TNA angle though it has it's flaws is clearly the must talk about subject of the promotion...whether it is drawing or not is another thing.

[SamHayden]

The idea of controversy wouldn't work in the current wrestling environment. The wrestling fan has changed, the majority of fans know about match psychology, angles, works, turns and all the other stuff that is usually kept in the back.

If you notice, TNA have started using wrestle-talk in front of the cameras, with wrestlers using phrases like "getting over" or "getting heat", also they make reference to stuff that has been on the internet during the week (Kurt Angles interview with The Sun for example and Christian Cages possible return to WWE as another).
This means that the product cannot be the same as it was in 1998 because the audience isn't the same. Therefore, stuff that worked before like attacking fans won't anymore because everyone will know it is work and even know who the plant is, what indy promotion he works for and even who trained him.
The only way to generate controversy would be to have real controversy backstage that leaks out. Or perhaps TNA leaking something that isn't true that makes us all think its real.

[404]

TNA needs tons more controversy in their matches. Forget booking GOD like Vince did. Let's book Allah! Instead of crucifying stone cold on a satanic cross like the undertaker did. Lets have shark boy die by way of a suicide bombing from Sheik Abdul Bashir. If the Sarah Palin and the beautiful people thing works out, TNA can always have themselves a MILF division. That will get people noticing! :whistle:

[hanibal]

How about this. Kurt Angle claim he had an affair with jill and left him a will with his lawyer. Awesome kong beat up a man with cancer. Shamermell have an affair with booker t brother stevie ray and kiss each other in the mouth. Sting remove his face paint and blame tna fans for going along with tna originals disrepect. Bring back the ecw dudleys doing controversial promo,s under team 3d. Shock value will sell if giving a chance.

[Talon_DR]

you cant do too much controversial stuff because you work under a network like Spike. They dont even allow the male wrestlers to attack the lady wrestlers

[Strawberries & Cream]

How about this. Kurt Angle claim he had an affair with jill and left him a will with his lawyer. Awesome kong beat up a man with cancer. Shamermell have an affair with booker t brother stevie ray and kiss each other in the mouth. Sting remove his face paint and blame tna fans for going along with tna originals disrepect. Bring back the ecw dudleys doing controversial promo,s under team 3d. Shock value will sell if giving a chance.

Wow, thats probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[jtpickens]

Yeah if SPIKE weren't so pc things would be a hopping. As for controversy when you consider that the majority of wrestling fans are old enough to remember the shock and wrestling connection of the 90s there really isn't anything these days that is actually considered shocking anymore.

[American Dragon]

How about this. Kurt Angle claim he had an affair with jill and left him a will with his lawyer. Awesome kong beat up a man with cancer. Shamermell have an affair with booker t brother stevie ray and kiss each other in the mouth. Sting remove his face paint and blame tna fans for going along with tna originals disrepect. Bring back the ecw dudleys doing controversial promo,s under team 3d. Shock value will sell if giving a chance.

This is without doubt one of the worst posts I have read on here and I hope you were being tongue in cheek with it.

TNA is obviously aware of how fans are now pretty much up on most story lines and are not going to be taken in by 'fans jumps' or any other stuff that may have worked when the Internet was not so prominent back in the 90s.

WWE is attracting the casual fans and it's product reflects so in it that it aiming at the younger market. TNA on the other I believe wants to appeal to the fans who have been turned off by WWE - the smarter fans and fans who watch more independent wrestling as they have become disillusioned with Vince's direction (hence the common use of wrestling terminology).

The current storyline with the M.E.M works for me as it giving the younger guys a platform while not pushing the bigger name talent out of the way. The way that Sting doesn't seem as 'on board' as the rest of the Mafia is good as he only speaks about the lack of respect the younger guys have, he doesn't trash them in the same way as Angle and Steiner will.

He is never there when they jump a younger guy, he rarely speaks when Angle does, it's perfectly set up for a face turn (if you can call it that as Sting will never get booed, I think TNA realise this) when Sting finally does get the respect of AJ and Joe.

For once TNA seem to running with the ball rather than dropping it.

And Hannibal, if you could spell and type in at a least a competent way then people may take your points a little more seriously, mind you, if you think suggestions like the above are actual ways TNA can bring controversy to the product, then you my friend, are are betting off watching CZW.

[-3:16-]

Sheik Abdul Bashir, Amazing Kong and her 'religious' manager, and the MEM Mafia storyline are just a few examples of the conroversy in TNA, so I don't get where your coming from when you say the company doesn't have any controversy.

American Dragon sums the topic up pretty well.

[hanibal]

Don,t hide behind missspellings, because because I do come up with alot of good ideas. Keep your insults to your self with many other misspellers on this board that don,t get mentioned.

[Emir Parkreiner]

How about this. Kurt Angle claim he had an affair with jill and left him a will with his lawyer. Awesome kong beat up a man with cancer. Shamermell have an affair with booker t brother stevie ray and kiss each other in the mouth. Sting remove his face paint and blame tna fans for going along with tna originals disrepect. Bring back the ecw dudleys doing controversial promo,s under team 3d. Shock value will sell if giving a chance.

Honestly? This is your idea. You would have somebody with "cancer" get beaten up? Even if it's an actor who doesn't really have cancer the thought of this is just wrong.

And having Sharmell kiss Booker T's brother "in the mouth" is also just wrong. whats the matter with Sharmell as she is now? Personaly I think she works well as the bitchy manager type who sets up the dirty end to matches.

Also there is absolutly no "shock value" in Sting taking off his face paint. He is seen constantly backstage with no face paint on, and Stings problem is not with the TNA fans and for it to be all of a sudden would be a very odd turn.


Don,t hide behind missspellings, because because I do come up with alot of good ideas. Keep your insults to your self with many other misspellers on this board that don,t get mentioned.

Nobody is hiding behind spelling errors at all. It is seriously hard when one have to decipher a post before they can respond to it. and for future refence when you want to show ownership/contraction of a word the punctuation is a ' as in:

don't

instead of

don,t

[hanibal]

If this storyline turn sting back into a face, then it will put him over more than the tna originals.

[404]

Honestly? This is your idea. You would have somebody with "cancer" get beaten up? Even if it's an actor who doesn't really have cancer the thought of this is just wrong.

And having Sharmell kiss Booker T's brother "in the mouth" is also just wrong. whats the matter with Sharmell as she is now? Personaly I think she works well as the bitchy manager type who sets up the dirty end to matches.

Also there is absolutly no "shock value" in Sting taking off his face paint. He is seen constantly backstage with no face paint on, and Stings problem is not with the TNA fans and for it to be all of a sudden would be a very odd turn.

with all due respect, All controversies in the past 10 years in wrestling have been nothing more than a joke. I kinda take this whole thread as a joke simply because pro wrestling really lost its limitations on what is tasteful and what isn't a long time ago.

It would make no difference if a guy that had cancer got beat down in pro wrestling. They have already put a one legged man and Giants (the big show and andre the giant both suffered from gigantism) and a midget in the ring. What's one guy with a life threatening condition now?

[Emir Parkreiner]

with all due respect, All controversies in the past 10 years in wrestling have been nothing more than a joke. I kinda take this whole thread as a joke simply because pro wrestling really lost its limitations on what is tasteful and what isn't a long time ago.

It would make no difference if a guy that had cancer got beat down in pro wrestling. They have already put a one legged man and Giants (the big show and andre the giant both suffered from gigantism) and a midget in the ring. What's one guy with a life threatening condition now?

Yeah I really do see your point, but even if every "taboo" subject has been covered i still think this guys idea about bringing Jeff's wife into a story is beyond wrong.

Over the years we have seen everything from people getting set on fire to people getting crucified, and everything in between.

But wrestling should not bring the passed on loved ones of its employees into story lines at all imo

[404]

Yeah I really do see your point, but even if every "taboo" subject has been covered i still think this guys idea about bringing Jeff's wife into a story is beyond wrong.

Over the years we have seen everything from people getting set on fire to people getting crucified, and everything in between.

But wrestling should not bring the passed on loved ones of its employees into story lines at all imo

I agree. I am not saying in the least that i agree with the storylines at all. Infact, they make me want to puke. At the same time, there has been much worse out there. Remember, before HHH was officially banging stephanie, he was banging a dead woman. Basically, what i'm trying to say here is that there is no limits anymore.

[Leon13]

"But wrestling should not bring the passed on loved ones of its employees into story lines at all imo" it was done... after Eddie's death


ECW was the king of pushing controversy. The crusifixion of sandman, Raven stealing his family (including an angle with a 7 year old tyler fullington) raping women with borken necks, promoting felonious records, booze, and drugs. but it worked of them because they didnt have corperate sponsors enabeling them to be on tv every week infact it probably cost them in the long run.

XPW was beyond anything. they had pogo the clown trying to molest the sandmans children. homosexuals (angel) Pornstars that screwed more animals then people in their career. Angle having an affair with Jill jarrett would be right up there with rob black's bullshit. (tho i must admit i was and am a fan of XPW) it was over the line and really taboo topics. it was seriously bathroom humor in a wrestling ring

[SamHayden]

Controversy had its time. That was the 90s when shock was how to sell anything (not just wrestling but tv in general). You had shows like Jerry Springer being the most talked about show because it was shocking.

Now things have changed and the most talked about shows are Heroes, Lost and House. The things that mark these shows out is their quality output. They look amazing, have amazing writing, large casts and well developed characters. More importantly, they do not live in the gutter, they have clever lines delivered well and much thought goes into each scene. Who knows what/who knows who/why they are doing what they are doing.

So to go back to the trashy ways suggested by hanibal is a step backwards rather than forwards. Any tv show should be trying to keep in touch with the current most popular shows. This means iMPACT! needs to improve the look (done), improve the storyline (done) and finally increase the intelligence of the show (currently heading in that direction).

I think the next change TNA need to institute is to have promos that are delivered showing a characters thoughts, goals and general character. The old style, threatening, shouting promos will no longer cut it.

It seems that the way for TNA to go is the exact way Raven is. Unfortunately its a little too late for him, maybe not though. If I was a TNA booker I would do everything in my power to bring back Raven, have him do the mentor role to some of the other younger guys and give him and his group the TV time it needs. The Flock was ahead of its time, its time should have been now.

DO IT TNA!!!

[American Dragon]

Hannibal (that's actually how it should be spelt, not with one n) it just makes your points look sloppy, and to be honest, even ignoring that, your arguments for more controversy are just weak.

With regards to TNA, I don't understand why people trash every single thing they do.

I understand a lot of peoples frustrations with regards to the booking and the creative aspect of the company ( something I have posted on numerous times) as I have too been upset with the way things have been done however in this instance I think they are doing this whole angle pretty well.

Sometimes I think people just need to step back and appreciate the product for what it is, an alternative to the fairground that is WWE. They have a very good mix of experience and young talent that will improve over time with experience, much like the company.

Remember Rome (nor WWE) was built in a day.

[crazychrisr]

While it is true that Spike TV will only let TNA do so much in terms of controversial storylines on Impact, I think that I have an idea that will get some attention...

Samoa Joe has been trying to hold his tongue for a number of weeks as the MEM go on and on painting them like whining malcontents. Joe has been content to let AJ be the front man but he decides it is time to take the war to a whole new level.

During the Final Resolution PPV, we don't see Samoa Joe anywhere on the card and no one has seen him backstage during the PPV. The TNA Originals are demoralized that one of their leaders hasn't bothered to show. AJ rallies the troops to go out and win their matches...but to no avail. The TNA Originals loose all of their matches as the MEM goes over for the second straight PPV.

At the end of the main event, the MEM are cutting a promo talking about how Samoa Joe is a coward with no respect - not only for them, but for his own TNA Originals.

Then from out of the crowd, Samoa Joe comes in the ring. He grabs Sting's bat and lays them all out. He then handcuffs them all to the ring post and proceeds to stalk Sharmell. Booker T and the rest of the MEM are freaking out and desparately trying to get at Joe.
Joe then hits Sharmell's ankle with the bat which sends her down to the canvas. He then forces her to stand and then hits her other ankle with the bat. Joe then takes Sharmell and sets her up on the top turnbuckle for the muscle buster.

This brings out AJ Styles and the rest of the TNA Originals. AJ begs Joe not to do it. Joe takes the mic and tells AJ that there is no other way. He grabs Sharmell and gives her a muscle buster and leaves through the crowd.

That is just one man's opinion
Chris

[John]

with all due respect, All controversies in the past 10 years in wrestling have been nothing more than a joke. I kinda take this whole thread as a joke simply because pro wrestling really lost its limitations on what is tasteful and what isn't a long time ago.

It would make no difference if a guy that had cancer got beat down in pro wrestling. They have already put a one legged man and Giants (the big show and andre the giant both suffered from gigantism) and a midget in the ring. What's one guy with a life threatening condition now?

I Wouldn't really say all the Controversy has been jokes.

I'd call the Undertaker Taking Steph captive and nearly setting her on fire to get back at Vince Storyline a little bit Crazy, But i do agree to a lesser extent.

TNA Barely Provides Controversial on iMPACT, The Best we come to it is hearing Mike Tenay go 'Controversial Moments Going on in the back' yet when we cross over it's just some guy being interviewed. Kabung?

[kenny mccormick]

I think being controversial just to be that way is played out. It makes the company come off like Bart Simpson, being bad just to be bad. If it's something brand new fine but just because it worked in the past doesn't mean it can work anymore.

Look, i know it made a lot of sense and was very sucessful but times have changed. Wrestling was cartoon superheros and good vs bad in its heyday in the 80's. In continued that way into the mid 90's and was lame- it was the same stuff over and over but a weaker version.

Controversy sold because it was brand new and different. It wasn't just wrestling that was pushing the envelope, as mentioned before it was the "thing" to be all cutting edge and push the envelope.

TNA is doing good. While the WWE keeps trying to recreate 1998 and shock us all TNA is giving a good, solid product. So what it has some WWE guys, thats the way wrestling has always been. Guys move around.

To really get back to where wrestling was only takes one guy- that one guy to connect. Besides the NWO its been Hogan that put wrestling on the map the 1st time and Stone Cold put it on the map the 2nd time. As big a star as the Rock has become i think without Stone Cold he just becomes another John Cena- a huge star in the wrestling world only. You need that guy to transcend and no amount of booking will transcend from wrestling fan to mainstream fans.

As for the Sting not fitting in thing, I think that adds depth to the feud. Sting isnt a heel, he wants respect from the young guys that are not giving it and is aligned himself with the devil so to speak. He doesn't belong with them and they are showing that. This is one turn that makes more sense than "Sting is a bad guy now." It adds more depth and shows shades of grey and makes things more realistic. Just in the same way that on the Originals side the Machine Guns are not really faces, they are just on that side. Shades of grey and not just good vs bad and its making some interesting TV.

[jtpickens]

I agree, instead of coming up with ways to create controversy they should improve on being a real wrestling alternative to the WWE. But on the other hand SPIKE TV needs to relax the rules a bit.

[hanibal]

Sting role in the mem remind me of when ahmed joshnson joining the nod to punish the udertaker for being a slave to paul bearer. But was,nt in the nod for the agenda. Same thing with sting upset with tna originals for disrespect legends. What now the mem jump sting out like the nod they did ahmed johnson

[SamHayden]

Sting role in the mem remind me of when ahmed joshnson joining the nod to punish the udertaker for being a slave to paul bearer. But was,nt in the nod for the agenda. Same thing with sting upset with tna originals for disrespect legends. What now the mem jump sting out like the nod they did ahmed johnson


What? I didn't understand that. I recognise the words but they seem to be strung together in a way which makes little sense.

The Sting role in MEM is one that I still can't make my mind up on. In some ways I like that it is not an obvious heel turn but rather a sort of slow slipping away into the role of MEM member. I personally do not like Sting and sometimes I question whether he is not throwing himself into the role of heel because he is trying to protect his status the way Bret did when leaving WWF in 1997. The difference here though is that Bret gave 10+ years to WWF whereas Sting has been making a half-arsed effort for a couple of years in TNA, he works 3 times a month for 8 months of a year, he doesn't really put the effort in that AJ, Angle, Joe and Abyss do.

So does anyone know whether Sting is reluctant to be a heel or the writers are deliberately staggering his transition?

[American Dragon]

Sting has always been reluctant to be a heel, I guess he just doesn't see himself in that role. He's also too over now with the crowd to be booed so him being the way he is MEM leaves open a jump to the young guys (as I posted earlier in this thread).

With regards to Hannibal's last post I believe he is trying to correlate Ahmed Johnson's role in the Nation of Domination with Sting's in Main Event Mafia. Not sure why though, ah well.

Can you elaborate (with spell check please)?

[oldskoolnwa]

1. Dispatch a group of scouts across the country and find the next great "pro wrestlers." There's got to be talented, and I mean talented wrestlers out there working in some gymnasium in front of 50 people that's begging to be discovered.

2. Someone said it best a while ago, TNA needs to start hiring guys that look like they can kick the shit out of you. Enough with the X-division types for a while. I was watching Smackdown last night and came across that Russian guy(I don't know his name). TNA need to hire a few guys like that.

3. Re-establish the tagteam division. Go out and find the next road warriors.

4. I know this is a longshot, but hire a better announce team. Name a great organization that didn't have a great announce team. You need guys that can sell your product and aren't bad on your ears. Don West needs to go.

5. Hire better writers. I agree with Angle, I too don't like the direction they're going.

6. Go live. Until this happens, they will not compete with the WWE.

7. Establish a working agreement with ROH and maybe even buy Bookers company in Houston and use it as a developmental organization.[/B]

[Emir Parkreiner]

2. Someone said it best a while ago, TNA needs to start hiring guys that look like they can kick the shit out of you. Enough with the X-division types for a while. I was watching Smackdown last night and came across that Russian guy(I don't know his name). TNA need to hire a few guys like that.

Yeah lets have less of the thing that defined the company and seperated it from the competition. Plus is it even possible to take more time away from the x-division than they have been doing in the past year or two?

And NO wrestling company needs a Vladamir Kozlov, the guy is just not good at all.

I wouldn't get ideas for how to improve a wrestling product by watching Smackdown either

[PhenomAJJones]

Jerry Jarrett brought Kozlov to Jeff Jarrett in 2005, and Jeff Jarrett wasn't intrested in him so Jerry took him to Vince. Judging by Kozlov's recent matches Jeff made a good call in not signing him.

[snapon29]

1. Dispatch a group of scouts across the country and find the next great "pro wrestlers." There's got to be talented, and I mean talented wrestlers out there working in some gymnasium in front of 50 people that's begging to be discovered.

2. Someone said it best a while ago, TNA needs to start hiring guys that look like they can kick the shit out of you. Enough with the X-division types for a while. I was watching Smackdown last night and came across that Russian guy(I don't know his name). TNA need to hire a few guys like that.

3. Re-establish the tagteam division. Go out and find the next road warriors.

4. I know this is a longshot, but hire a better announce team. Name a great organization that didn't have a great announce team. You need guys that can sell your product and aren't bad on your ears. Don West needs to go.

5. Hire better writers. I agree with Angle, I too don't like the direction they're going.

6. Go live. Until this happens, they will not compete with the WWE.

7. Establish a working agreement with ROH and maybe even buy Bookers company in Houston and use it as a developmental organization.[/B]

Mike Tenay is one of the better announcers out there, he's got as much experience as anyone in the business back since the WCW days. And Don West, he's the funniest announcer on the face of the planet when he says "oh my god" and "no freakin way" lmao. But honestly, Don West and Mike Tenay aren't much of a problem for me.

I agree about going live, they need to perhaps go live head-to-head with Smackdown on Fridays. Not Raw, but I think they could do well in a head-to-head with the Smackdown brand cause frankly, I think Smackdown sucks compared to RAW.


Yea, and they need to get rid of some of these guys like Shark Boy and these lame a$$ international Japanese guys who have no personality and get some people with a personality.

[PhenomAJJones]

Not many people are home on Friday nights and are more partying or having fun at the movies. IF you wanna move TNA then move them to a Wednesday Night or Tuesday Night at 8-10pm.

[oldskoolnwa]

Jerry Jarrett brought Kozlov to Jeff Jarrett in 2005, and Jeff Jarrett wasn't intrested in him so Jerry took him to Vince. Judging by Kozlov's recent matches Jeff made a good call in not signing him.

Maybe not him, but a guy like him. A big, tough guy that can wrestle. There have to be a few still around.

[oldskoolnwa]

Yeah lets have less of the thing that defined the company and seperated it from the competition. Plus is it even possible to take more time away from the x-division than they have been doing in the past year or two?

And NO wrestling company needs a Vladamir Kozlov, the guy is just not good at all.

I wouldn't get ideas for how to improve a wrestling product by watching Smackdown either

You missed the point. TNA have enough X-division types already, lets get some wrestlers that can wrestle and draw. No offense, but the X-division isn't exactly packing them in.

Maybe not Vlad, but someone like him who can wrestle.

I just used that one example from Smackdown. I don't want TNA to turn into another WWE, but they could learn some things from them.

[Rockstar]

This is what oldskoolnwa needs to do.

1. Get a piece of paper

2. Get a pen

3. Start a little introduction, maybe "Dear TNA,"

4. Start with an indent

5. Write letter

6. End in with a closing, maybe "Best Regards, Anonymous TNA viewer"

7. Put in envelope, and address it to TNA HeadQuarters

8. Put the envelope in Mail Box

9. Watch TNA and see if anything has changed.



That'll be much better, just mail them. Plus, not to be offensive, if you (an average TNA viewer) want these changes, then TNA have probably considered them months ago.

[Sean_Carleton1]

Jerry Jarrett brought Kozlov to Jeff Jarrett in 2005, and Jeff Jarrett wasn't intrested in him so Jerry took him to Vince. Judging by Kozlov's recent matches Jeff made a good call in not signing him.

TNA would have taken that guy in a heart beat going in the direction they are heading in today you need someone to bore us more than Matt Morgan and mentally challenged Abyss.

[RKO]

TNA just needs to get better writers, advertise more and have more of their shows outside the Impact zone and make the X Division really good again and amp up the tag division too. TNA do that they be fine.

[snapon29]

Not many people are home on Friday nights and are more partying or having fun at the movies. IF you wanna move TNA then move them to a Wednesday Night or Tuesday Night at 8-10pm.

College students don't party till after 10 PM regardless on Fridays or weekends, so it still works for that targeted demographic of 18-49 yr. olds.

[snapon29]

TNA just needs to get better writers, advertise more and have more of their shows outside the Impact zone and make the X Division really good again and amp up the tag division too. TNA do that they be fine.

What is the reason why they do most Impact episodes in Orlando? Is it to save money or something? I understood back a couple yrs. back but they've grown quite a bit.

[The Dudebuster]

I agree that TNA need new commentators or atleast a 3rd man to make it a bit more tolerable to listen to.

[oldskoolnwa]

This is what oldskoolnwa needs to do.

1. Get a piece of paper

2. Get a pen

3. Start a little introduction, maybe "Dear TNA,"

4. Start with an indent

5. Write letter

6. End in with a closing, maybe "Best Regards, Anonymous TNA viewer"

7. Put in envelope, and address it to TNA HeadQuarters

8. Put the envelope in Mail Box

9. Watch TNA and see if anything has changed.



That'll be much better, just mail them. Plus, not to be offensive, if you (an average TNA viewer) want these changes, then TNA have probably considered them months ago.

Seriously, maybe I should. I would want nothing better than TNA to atleast compete with the WWE. To your last point, other than maybe going live, I don't think TNA have considered too many of my suggestions.

[oldskoolnwa]

What is the reason why they do most Impact episodes in Orlando? Is it to save money or something? I understood back a couple yrs. back but they've grown quite a bit.

After the upgrades to the iMPACT Zone, I doubt that they'll be taking iMPACT on the road anytime soon. With that being said, they SHOULD NOT still be holding PPV's there.

[snapon29]

After the upgrades to the iMPACT Zone, I doubt that they'll be taking iMPACT on the road anytime soon. With that being said, they SHOULD NOT still be holding PPV's there.

I don't think they do. I think they held one at the Sears Centre in suburban Chicago(Bound for Glory, I think)

And Genesis is gonna be somewhere in Charlotte.

[oldskoolnwa]

I don't think they do. I think they held one at the Sears Centre in suburban Chicago(Bound for Glory, I think)

And Genesis is gonna be somewhere in Charlotte.

What I'm saying is that they shouldn't hold any PPV's at the iMPACT Zone anymore. The last 2 PPV's were held in the iMPACT Zone.

[snapon29]

What I'm saying is that they shouldn't hold any PPV's at the iMPACT Zone anymore. The last 2 PPV's were held in the iMPACT Zone.

Oh, I agree completely. I think they are starting to get a large enough fan base that they can go to 5,000-8,000 seat arenas and start selling out the PPV shows potentially but they just don't seem to really know how to market their product well enough.

They've done such a bad job marketing that they've put commercials of the Raw/Smackdown video game on their TNA telecasts during commercial breaks.

[giantkiller]

You know what really grinds my gears? (I'm sure most of you don't but hear it but here goes anyway.)


Each month as we "Build." to a PPV we got matches which are just announced. For example "Sting vs. Rhino." Which we know is going to be a good match, Two great performers of this stature will always put on a good/solid performance. Just the fact that there has been no real build after the match was announced. They have just been like there next to each other. In my opinon, Rhino is long overdue a World Title Shot but I would like to see a better build. Only a month ago he was beaten down by the Main Event Mafia and stuffed in a coffin/casket. His allies are being beaten down each and every week. Yet he has the chance to make this right, he has the chance to tilt the balance of power in the favour of the Frontline.

So i ask where are these high intesity Rhino promos? The promos that make you believe that he not only wants to be the TNA World Champion but to beat the living hell out of Sting in the process? There has been little interaction between the two. The two only faced each other a few weeks ago on Free television and TNA have not gave any fans a reason to pay to watch this match.

I'm not sayign that all TNA booking is like this because they have done well with the Jeff Jarrett/Kurt Angle feud and they are doing good with the MEM/Frontline feud on a whole but if they want to get better PPV buyrates and keep fans happy they need to have better storytelling especially when you have two good wrestlers and two goodstorytellers in a feud you need a cohesive storyline or atleast having some interaction between the two.

TNA have to realize that they are a mainstream comapany now. People expect more then what they did two years ago. Two years ago you could book Christopher Daniels vs. Chris Sabin in a TNA X-Division Title Match and the fans would not care that there was no storyline behind it because they knew they would get to see a good match. As the fanbase grows people are going to be getting more critical of the product and frustrated.

[John]

Why do TNA need to imploy High Intensity promos? And why does it get you so wittled?

Rhino is over at the moment and doesn't need such promos.

[Gary]

I agree there should be more interaction between them before a ppv, but TNA have a long history of doing this whether it's the super random UX match at BFG with LAX and XXX or or this instance here, although not many like to admit it wrestlers are characters and as viewers we need a reason to care about these characters and have a need to want to see them as individuals and see them interact, you mention the X Division matches where "no build is needed" well to me I don't care about the characters, so why would I care about them exchanging moves for 10 minutes with no reasoning or concequence?

And as you say it's a sad state of affairs when this is happening to two top guys over the world title, you can say it's cos MEM/FL is the focus, bull, a faction can feud whilst still maintaining indivudual feuds, Angle vs Austin during the Invasion is a good example, there is no excuse for it and it's one of the many reasons I get frustrated with TNA's product.

[snapon29]

Everyone knows Sting will retain the title anyways. Rhino as the world champ? C'mon guys.

[The_Icon]

Everyone knows Sting will retain the title anyways. Rhino as the world champ? C'mon guys.

Now, we do know Sting will retain, but do you really need to trash Rhino?

FYI Rhino is a former champ. Remember when he beat Jeff Jarrett, here let me refresh you.

On October 23rd 2005 at TNA's Bound For Glory in Orlando Rhino beat Jeff Jarrett to win the NWA TNA world title.

True he only held it untill the Nov 3rd 2005 edition of IMPACT, but he still has been there.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^But to be honest, if Kevin Nash didn't get injured & taken out of that PPV...Rhino would have never won the belt hense why he dropped it less than a week later & was never used as a solo main event spot once his feud with Jarrett was over...I'm not crapping on Rhino but facts are facts here.

And I agree with the main point, there should be more attention payed to the main event than there currently is. Rhino's first major title shot since the Jarrett feud almost 3 years ago, it should look like he has a legit chance since he already was the only person to pin Sting in over a year.

[The_Icon]

^^^Yeah, but he did win it. Plan or not, once you win the belt, your in the club.

As for the more hype, it should be, but I think what they are facing in terms of issues is that, there is too many story lines and just not enough time to use them all.

In my opinion, since TNA isn't hyping the match, its pretty much a no brainer that Sting is going to beat Rhino for the title. I will ACTUALLY be shocked if Rhino does win.

[snapon29]

You know what's funny, I saw one of the PPV's on YouTube a while back and the supposedly convincing "Gore" didn't even get his opponent to lose on the 3-count. And I thought the Gore Gore Gore was his top move?

I'm not saying Rhino is a bad wrestler. But he's no champ. To me, it's like when they make Jeff Hardy the champ. It just doesn't make a lot of sense cause in real life, you'd never think of that sort of thing happening. It's like saying that Velvet Sky would beat Awesome Kong to win the Knockouts Title.

There's just certain things that you can't convince the audience on. And Rhino winning the title over Sting, Kurt Angle, and Joe is one of those things that cannot be convinced to me at least.

[Doctor Karma]

Everyone knows Sting will retain the title anyways. Rhino as the world champ? C'mon guys.

For real. Rhino won't be World Champ.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^Yeah, but he did win it. Plan or not, once you win the belt, your in the club.

Nobody is denying that Rhino is in the "World Champions" club & nobody can deny that but he's no different than the Kane's, Big Show's, RVD's or even going back as far as the Stan Stasiak's, Ivan Koloff's, Andre The Giant's or if you really want to go here...the Russo's & Arquette's & McMahon's of wrestling where they were they held the belt & were called a world champion but they're not in the same value as the other former champions & their title reigns would be graded from a D to an F. They were widely concidered paper/fluke/transitional champions as is Rhino because of just how far he's fallen in TNA based around the situations surrounding that title reign along with the way he been used/not used in the company since then that nobody sees him as a legit threat or can be a legit World Champion.

That's no knock on Rhino, that's just TNA's booking pattern as Sting's reign has become just like Samoa Joe's in that his title defenses are being portrayed as the second/third most important storyline going on in the company (in this case, it's behind the whole Jarrett/Angle saga & the Mick Foley situation). You would think that TNA would hype up the fact that Rhino was the first guy to pin Sting in over a year.

[oldskoolnwa]

Why do TNA need to imploy High Intensity promos? And why does it get you so wittled?

Rhino is over at the moment and doesn't need such promos.

Wrong. Good promos have been apart of pro wrestling since the beginning.


Everyone knows Sting will retain the title anyways. Rhino as the world champ? C'mon guys.

That's one of the biggest problems with todays wrestling, especially TNA. They have these world title matches where you know who will win. Back in the day when Flair was defending, you always thought that this could be the night that Flair loses the title which kept it interesting.

[giantkiller]

Why do TNA need to imploy High Intensity promos? And why does it get you so wittled?

Rhino is over at the moment and doesn't need such promos.

I just feel like Rhino is at his best when he is doing his high-intese promos that he does. He becomes much more of a believable character unlike others who just scream and shout and claim it is intesity i think it is one of his strongest points and a microphone and makes you have a connection with Character like yeah he is getting beaten down but he is getting back and fighting harder.

Even thought it is most likely Sting will retain I still think there needs to be better build for fans sake and also if TNA as a business want to improve. Got to remember that Impact main purpose is to entertain the fans and to draw the fans into paying for the PPV because thats where they make money.

[The Dudebuster]

I agree that there should be better build up to the World title matches. I think TNA should, instead of mainly focusing on the upper mid-card matches (Angle Jarret) they need to put equal or more time and effort into their World title feuds as the belt is supposed to be the most important title in the company.

[RKO]

Now, we do know Sting will retain, but do you really need to trash Rhino?

FYI Rhino is a former champ. Remember when he beat Jeff Jarrett, here let me refresh you.

On October 23rd 2005 at TNA's Bound For Glory in Orlando Rhino beat Jeff Jarrett to win the NWA TNA world title.

True he only held it untill the Nov 3rd 2005 edition of IMPACT, but he still has been there.

Rhino only held the title for a few weeks and only won it cause Nash got injured. Rhino was good back in ecw. But ever since then he been average. His wrestling skills average and mic skills/promos fair.

Sting will retain i doubt tna would have him lose the belt to Rhino. If anybody off Frontline Sting would lose the title to AJ Styles.

[Sean_Carleton1]

I remember when the only time TNA had pretty bad matches was when Jarrett brought in old guys for a PPV or two now that happens every PPV in at least two matches.

[thorstone]

"Just the fact that there has been no real build"

I've been bothered by this for a while now. They just throw out matches between guys, and I think to myself, "Okay, why? What beef do these guys have?" And the answer is usually none-- the next month they're fighting a different person and the previous month's PPV match never leads into anything-- just another random match they put together and announce at the last second.

Worse yet-- I see no real hierarchy, the number one contender is just chosen randomly; the belt is losing value-- we don't see an angle built up around who should be number one contender pitting Joe against AJ for the spot (tearing the Frontline apart).

[Gary]

^Agreed, those things have been a problem in TNA for a while.

[oldskoolnwa]

The problem is that TNA has absolutely no vision on what they want to be. There's no direction at all. I wish I had the finances to purchace TNA.

[Gary]

The problem is that TNA has absolutely no vision on what they want to be. There's no direction at all.

I've said that for ages lol

[thorstone]

With the exit of Christian Cage-- there is a void on the face side of things, a void of talent to put in the main event against Sting-- we've seen Joe, AJ, and Rhino in the spot and none of those matches went anywhere. They were just filler, delay material; as there are not plans to take the belt from Sting.

What needs to happen now, in the event of this void, is Sting needs to leave the MEM opening the field for fueds with Booker, Angle, Steiner, and Nash in addition to AJ and Joe. TNA needs to put the belts in the spot light, and as I've suggested before, enforce the weight class with the heavyweight belt and make Booker's title the open weight world title.

If TNA continues on their current path, Sting is just going to burn through their roster of faces in two months and this whole story with the MEM will burn out.

One option is to have Sting leave the MEM and have him be a lone wolf whom everyone is chasing for the belt. Another option is to have him leave the MEM, drop the belt to Kurt, and fill Christian's spot as the face chasing the heel. Either way, he cannot align with Joe and AJ.

[MassNerder]

I’ve giving TNA one last shot…. As a kid, I watched WCW religiously and was a casual viewer of the WWF… I got out of watching wrestling when the WCW folded and I didn’t start watching again until I heard that Sting was coming back to some new federation called TNA. Since then, I have missed possibly two or three Impact’s ,TOPS (honestly, it may just be one) and have caught all of the PPV’s (thank you, Mininova!)

I hate to do this, but I am giving TNA an ultimatum. It seems like over the last year or so, instead of enjoying watching Impact, I find myself to be more frustrated than anything else. Most of my frustrations stems from bad booking, stupid skits and promos, the headache that IS Don West and Mike Tenay, and an overall lack of vision and professionalism.

TNA seems content to try and be “WWE-lite”….. For chriss-sakes, the frickin name of the company is TOTAL-NONSTOP-ACTION….. Yet, it seems as every month goes by, we get shorter matches and less wrestling as a whole… The only hope TNA has of ever competing with the WWE is to present a clear cut alternative to what they offer. It would seem that LOGICALLY, if you have a deep, talented roster of wrestlers you would be better off focusing more on the wrestling aspect and a less on the entertainment part. Most of the guys in TNA don’t have the promo and mic skills of their WWE counterparts, and I am FINE with that. Just let them foucs on showcasing their talents in the ring instead of opening the show with 20 minutes of promos and skits….. Modern wrestling can’t exist without the entertainment part…. It is all about striking the right balance between the wrestling and entertainment aspects, and TNA can’t seem to find the optimal balance between the two.

TNA has been stuck at about the same television rating now for WELL over a year. So this leads me to ask, what in the hell is keeping Jeff Jarret and Dixie Carter from mixing it up and trying something different?! If they are content to stay where they are at, they may soon find those ratings going in the wrong direction, altogether. TNA has a deep and varied tag team division, an extremely athletic and fun to watch group in the X-Division and great women wrestlers throughout the Knockouts division……yet, there appears to be no solid plan for any of these divisions and TNA is squandering great talents and great opportunities…..

I will admit that the Main Event Mafia vs The Frontline program renewed my interest and excited me more than anything TNA had done in quite some time. I, along with many other TNA fans, assumed that ultimate goal of this feud was to get over the younger guys and put them into the “main event” spotlight while slowly rubbing out some of the veterans (most notably, Nash, Sting and Steiner). I am hopeful that by the end of this feud, Christopher Daniels will have returned and he, Joe, and A.J. will all be permanent fixtures in the World Heavyweight title scene while guys like Jay Lethal, Petey Williams and Eric Young will be elevated to new heights. I am worried though that this isn’t going to happen, though, as it seems that TNA management can’t decide WHO it is that they want to get a rub from this program (the Frontline has WAY too many members). Recent weeks have been focusing more on veteran members that have joined the Frontline like Rhino, Team 3D and (presumably) Mick Foley instead of the younger guys. If, by the end of this program, I don’t feel like the younger guys have been elevated and this whole thing has just been ANOTHER feud that hasn’t pushed the company forward, I am done with TNA.

Being a TNA fan right now must be similar to what it is like to be a Detroit Lions fan (or, since I’m from Missouri, a Kansas City Royals fan). I root for TNA, I want TNA to exceed, I try to stay hopeful…… but I can only put up with failure for so long (as I did with the Royals). It is hard to watch a team (or in this case, an organization) make the same mistakes over and over while never seeming to learn from them. Maybe a loss in viewers will force Jarrett and Carter to finally make some wholesale changes that have been needed for a while now….

[thorstone]

"instead of opening the show with 20 minutes of promos"

The opening promos give direction for the show and should play into building up a PPV match and/or the main event of the night.

If you remove the prologue-- you've pretty much got a series of matches that don't make any sense or lead into anything; the show doesn't pick up the plot from the previous week (viewers go WTF? and change the channel) and the show doesn't give the people left watching this train wreck a reason to remember to tune in next week, same Bat-time; same Bat-place.

[snapon29]

Wow, I'm sure TNA will really miss your services. That's like when people say that they won't shop at Walmart anymore because they despise their low-ball tactics and driving out smaller businesses out of business. Sure, go ahead and take your business elsewhere but there's millions of people that will still shop at Walmart for the low prices so losing 1 customer doesn't mean diddly squat.

This is the same thing, losing one fan won't mean diddly squat. I don't think they really care and if you don't like the product, don't watch it. They aren't going to change in 1 week or even 1 month. If changes occur, it may take up to 1/2 a year or a year for things to work out and start heading in the right direction. There are already storylines in place for a while.

[oldskoolnwa]

Oh please, the original poster is 100% right and he's not the only one who see it that way. TNA have absolutely no direction and it shows. TNA does come across as a poor-mans WWE at times and it pisses me off because I want them to succeed. And he's right, they need a better announce team. Believe it or not, the announce team is almost as big a part of the show as the wrestlers are.

This is how you get guys like AJ Styles and Joe to the next level. You put them in a match with Kurt Angle that goes 40 or more minutes on LIVE TV like the NWA did with Sting back in 88 when he wrestled Flair to a 45 minute time limit draw. It worked then, it can work now.

A few live arena specials like the old NWA/WCW Clash of Champion specials could do wonders for TNA.

[Sean_Carleton1]

Where I'm from... earth there is an old unwritten rule and that rule is anyone who says "diddly squat" is a douche... sorry but it's true... unles you're over 60...

Oh and great passionate rant Mass I wonder how you've held on for this long I wanted TNA to start thinking about the future of the company and the fans a long time ago but since late 2007 I've just been at the point where I want them to die if they don't want to change because anything as bad as 90210 should be cancelled or kids will grow up thinking wrestling is.. meh.

To anyone who defends the current TNA product..... REALLY well I guess some people like myself like a movie like Snatch or Reservoir Dogs (ROH, PWG, or CHIKARA) or even a bigger one like The Departed and GOODFELLAS (WWE) and there are some who like Jackass and Battlefield Earth (TNA).

[Strawberries & Cream]

So basically, TNA should improve or else they lose you as a fan?
TNA should definitely be shaking in their boots!

[snapon29]

Where I'm from... earth there is an old unwritten rule and that rule is anyone who says "diddly squat" is a douche... sorry but it's true... unles you're over 60...

Oh and great passionate rant Mass I wonder how you've held on for this long I wanted TNA to start thinking about the future of the company and the fans a long time ago but since late 2007 I've just been at the point where I want them to die if they don't want to change because anything as bad as 90210 should be cancelled or kids will grow up thinking wrestling is.. meh.

To anyone who defends the current TNA product..... REALLY well I guess some people like myself like a movie like Snatch or Reservoir Dogs (ROH, PWG, or CHIKARA) or even a bigger one like The Departed and GOODFELLAS (WWE) and there are some who like Jackass and Battlefield Earth (TNA).

Where I'm from, "unles" is spelled "unless."

Also where I'm from, not everyone loves the movies you love. So don't pretend that you are a great judge of talent or movies or shows or wrestling organizations. I think most people realize WWE is a better product than TNA, so you haven't exactly led us to the promise land here.

Opinions are in the eye of the beholder, not based on what you think.

[oldskoolnwa]

So basically, TNA should improve or else they lose you as a fan?
TNA should definitely be shaking in their boots!

And you think he's the only one who feels that way? Why do you think their ratings haven't jumped all that much? Think about it.

[Gary]

And you think he's the only one who feels that way?

Exactly, I'm sure many feel the same way, true these individual "strikes"/"threats" might seem lame (not as lame as the "if Cena is champ I'm not watching" ones but nvm) but true if many feel the same way it can only be a bad thing for TNA.

[evilnatasking]

FFS, if you have a problem with it write a letter. If more people actually write about the problems and said it intelligently then that might change the program. You would think TNA would read a lot of posts on a wrestling forum. I understand your points but try and do something that would have an effect.

[Killswitch]

I mean I agree with you that TNA might need to change. But like to them if one fan says something about it then they will not try and change it. To them it does not matter that one fan says "this needs to change." If you send them a letter, all they are going to do is look at the letter and be like "ok this is what he thinks but we do not need to change it." Not sure if that makes sense but that is what I think. But I mean that is what is so great about this form you can come out here and talk about what you think. But anyways to me TNA will not change what they are doing because to them you are just some telling them what you would like to see.

[shin.gekiganger]

The Problem with TNA is that they favor the EX-WWE rejects more than their TNA Originals.
WWE rejects who go to TNA are GUARANTEED stardom and MAJOR pushes, no matter if your a jobber from WWE or not.
Lets review:
Tomko: Got a push right off the bat, won Tag titles and got somewhat of a world Title push, but didn't make it as a champion. But a push none the less, while you have someone like Chris Sabin, Christopher Daniels, just to name a few who NEVER got that Treatment and Tomko was a JOBBER in WWE, granted he gained credibility in Japan, but that still doesn't change the fact he was a Jobber at 1st.

Test: Granted a short stay, but look, 1st major thing he did, was MAIN EVENT a PPV! WOOOOOOOOW! for a guy who can NEVER get over and sucks in the ring, that's the treatment he gets

Christian: Mid card at BEST in WWE, TNA made him into a star, it sure helped his career, but what of the TNA originals? Kaz surely didn't get anything out of it. AJ Styles became a complete Joke and i must say, THANK GOD he's Gone

Kurt Angle: how can we forget Total NoneStop ANGLE!

The list goes on and on and on. With decisions like this, is no wonder TNA management is really that stupid and needs a complete overhaul on their formula and vision on what TNA is supposed to be.

And lastly, Lets not forget their attempts with Rikishi and Adam Jones.
If that doesn't explain how STUPID TNA management is and if TNA management themselves can't see this.....then TNA really has no hope in beating WWE anytime soon

[oldskoolnwa]

The Problem with TNA is that they favor the EX-WWE rejects more than their TNA Originals.
WWE rejects who go to TNA are GUARANTEED stardom and MAJOR pushes, no matter if your a jobber from WWE or not.
Lets review:
Tomko: Got a push right off the bat, won Tag titles and got somewhat of a world Title push, but didn't make it as a champion. But a push none the less, while you have someone like Chris Sabin, Christopher Daniels, just to name a few who NEVER got that Treatment and Tomko was a JOBBER in WWE, granted he gained credibility in Japan, but that still doesn't change the fact he was a Jobber at 1st.

Test: Granted a short stay, but look, 1st major thing he did, was MAIN EVENT a PPV! WOOOOOOOOW! for a guy who can NEVER get over and sucks in the ring, that's the treatment he gets

Christian: Mid card at BEST in WWE, TNA made him into a star, it sure helped his career, but what of the TNA originals? Kaz surely didn't get anything out of it. AJ Styles became a complete Joke and i must say, THANK GOD he's Gone

Kurt Angle: how can we forget Total NoneStop ANGLE!

The list goes on and on and on. With decisions like this, is no wonder TNA management is really that stupid and needs a complete overhaul on their formula and vision on what TNA is supposed to be.

And lastly, Lets not forget their attempts with Rikishi and Adam Jones.
If that doesn't explain how STUPID TNA management is and if TNA management themselves can't see this.....then TNA really has no hope in beating WWE anytime soon

Good points. I brought this up before, TNA need to send scouts across the country and world to find the next great pro wrestlers. You're right, they need to stop relying on guys that were in the WWE.

[darkwolf]

I don't have a problem with TNA going after WWE talent, but not the old guys. WWE has several young talent that TNA could do what Vince doesn't want to : make them stars. Guys like Morrison, Benjamin, Mizz, Kennedy, Matt Hardy who are now midcarders at best could be World Champs in TNA. Thats why i'm very happy with the idea of Burke and London coming to TNA. Also search for Indy talent.

2009 will be the year many of these "legends" retire or go back to WWE. Sting and Steiner will probably retire, Nash becomes a backstage guy, Angle /3D and Kip go back to WWE leaving enough room for homegrown talent and some other youngs guys out there.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

The only problem I have with TNA bringing in ex-WWE/WCW talent is when they take these opening to lower midcard guys from elsewhere and decide to push them towards the top of the card over everyone else when they don't have a proven track record of drawing an audience, rating, or money at the position they're being put in. I'm not talking about Kurt Angle or Booker T or Sting or Christian Cage...I'm talking about people like Rikishi/Junior Fatu & Andrew Martin/Test & Billy Gunn/Kip James & to a lower extent, Kevin Nash in late 2005. There are a few exceptions with people like Scott Steiner, Rhino, and Tomko who heavily showed they had heavily improved since we last saw them & showed they earned the spot they were given but that's not always the case. Again, I take it on a case by case basis.

[Engaged To Ouellet]

The Problem with TNA is that they favor the EX-WWE rejects more than their TNA Originals.
WWE rejects who go to TNA are GUARANTEED stardom and MAJOR pushes, no matter if your a jobber from WWE or not.
Lets review:
Tomko: Got a push right off the bat, won Tag titles and got somewhat of a world Title push, but didn't make it as a champion. But a push none the less, while you have someone like Chris Sabin, Christopher Daniels, just to name a few who NEVER got that Treatment and Tomko was a JOBBER in WWE, granted he gained credibility in Japan, but that still doesn't change the fact he was a Jobber at 1st.

Test: Granted a short stay, but look, 1st major thing he did, was MAIN EVENT a PPV! WOOOOOOOOW! for a guy who can NEVER get over and sucks in the ring, that's the treatment he gets

Christian: Mid card at BEST in WWE, TNA made him into a star, it sure helped his career, but what of the TNA originals? Kaz surely didn't get anything out of it. AJ Styles became a complete Joke and i must say, THANK GOD he's Gone

Kurt Angle: how can we forget Total NoneStop ANGLE!

The list goes on and on and on. With decisions like this, is no wonder TNA management is really that stupid and needs a complete overhaul on their formula and vision on what TNA is supposed to be.

And lastly, Lets not forget their attempts with Rikishi and Adam Jones.
If that doesn't explain how STUPID TNA management is and if TNA management themselves can't see this.....then TNA really has no hope in beating WWE anytime soon

Your points are flawed, its not like Tomko was pushed as an instant star in TNA, he was brought in as Cages muscle and over time with character development and proven in ring improvements the audience warmed to the guy, he was heavily cheered every week which led to a stronger near Main Event push before TNA dropeed the ball with that push. Cage himself was becoming a big name in WWE, the fans loved the guy but WWE seemed reluctant to push the guy (not enough muscle mass id say) standing on the 'card' is irrelative cmapred to drawing power and/or connection with the crowd and CC has this is spades. Test at times has been a popular name and TNA would have been aiming to recapture that. Angle is arguable the best i nthe world, phenominal wrestler, phenominal talker, great draw and choosing between the Angle show or the Cena show ill watch the one where the champ can actually wrestle.

[Sean_Carleton1]

Christian made himself in WWE just before he took off with a little help from the fans and TNA wasted him.

[t0rment2004]

...Okay, maybe they should have given Christian the world belt a couple more times than they did.

But I don't think they wasted him at all. He was a huge part of TNA until he jumped ship.

[AustralianGQ]

Two words: jeff jarrett

on the business side hes ok for TNA although he has made blunders such as hiring pacman jones, that was a waste of money and time....hes helped TNA grow and again from a business perspective hes an asset to TNA...

the problem is that jeff jarrett is abit of a goof and tries to build TNA into a WWE wannabe as we all know and he is the head booker and his ideas SUCK.....from a booking/creative perspective JJ is just "blah" hes unoriginal and boring and makes alot of weird, unlogical, silly decisions.....

if anything jeff jarrett should just stick to the business side of TNA and let someone like jim cornette take over as head booker and have more power in TNA...

i think TNA's biggest flaw is the man who owns TNA and hes desire to hire alot of ex WWE guys instead of pushing TNA talent and hiring indy talent and building them up and his piss poor ideas for storylines, talent and feuds and lack of creativity.....

[Sphere]

Two words: jeff jarrett

on the business side hes ok for TNA although he has made blunders such as hiring pacman jones, that was a waste of money and time....hes helped TNA grow and again from a business perspective hes an asset to TNA...

the problem is that jeff jarrett is abit of a goof and tries to build TNA into a WWE wannabe as we all know and he is the head booker and his ideas SUCK.....from a booking/creative perspective JJ is just "blah" hes unoriginal and boring and makes alot of weird, unlogical, silly decisions.....

if anything jeff jarrett should just stick to the business side of TNA and let someone like jim cornette take over as head booker and have more power in TNA...

i think TNA's biggest flaw is the man who owns TNA and hes desire to hire alot of ex WWE guys instead of pushing TNA talent and hiring indy talent and building them up and his piss poor ideas for storylines, talent and feuds and lack of creativity.....


I fully agree 100&#37; Your comment made me join this forum.

A current example of Jeff Jarret's weird, unlogical, silly decisions is to use his dead wife in his fued with Kurt Angle. What's more ugly is that Jeff puts the blame on Kurt in true kayfabe style (sun interview) by saying he was unaware that Kurt would mention Jeff wife. Hello, Jeff Jarret is the head of creative he approved to use his dead wife in this fued.

Jeff Jarret needs to step down from creative and Russo and maybe all of their writers has to get fired cause Jeff is approving is writers thoughts as well which leads to the mess we see every week.

[snapon29]

Christian made himself in WWE just before he took off with a little help from the fans and TNA wasted him.

How can you say that TNA wasted Cage when WWE decided to bring him back? If TNA had truly wasted Christian Cage, he would still be in TNA and WWE would never have given him another shot. Cage was fantastic when I saw him. Whether he was a heel or a good guy, he combated respect, he's always been a good wrestler, and he's definitely a good talker.

I may end up starting to watch Smackdown, which I never watch, just to see what direction they take Christian Cage cause I ended up really liking him during the time I've watched TNA.

[L.A.I.N.E.Y.]

I don't have a problem with TNA going after WWE talent, but not the old guys. WWE has several young talent that TNA could do what Vince doesn't want to : make them stars. Guys like Morrison, Benjamin, Mizz, Kennedy, Matt Hardy who are now midcarders at best could be World Champs in TNA. Thats why i'm very happy with the idea of Burke and London coming to TNA. Also search for Indy talent.

2009 will be the year many of these "legends" retire or go back to WWE. Sting and Steiner will probably retire, Nash becomes a backstage guy, Angle /3D and Kip go back to WWE leaving enough room for homegrown talent and some other youngs guys out there.

last time i checked those 4 out of 5 guys you named are young champions, all 4 of them are under about 34 years old which is still young considering ric flair was at his peak at about 40. They could be TNA Champion but you would also want them to work to get their spot and not just come in right off the bat and win the title. Steiner retiring is unlikely considering he only just returned and he hasnt suggested any hints to retiring soon and the economic crisis the way it is retiring is a bad option for everyone including wrestlers. Sting will most likely retire as I think he has enough money espescially since he is also 'Real Estate Steve'. Nash becoming backstage is likely. Angle might return to WWE but to be honest you never know with Angle he changes his mind a lot. Team 3-D and Kip seemed to have burned a bridge with WWE by continuosly bad mouthing the boss and WWE in shoots etc. Brother Ray is also not liked apparently by some of the main eventers in WWE. Kip James hates HHH now and vice versa so dont expect him to return and anyway why would WWE want 3-D and Kip back they are about 5-10 years past their prime and would serve no purpose in WWE besides morewrestlers.

What I dont like about tna's direction is they overhype promos and backstage stuff so much that the wrestling seems 2nd best and an addition to promos instead of the other way around. No reaction to post matches dont help either when they cut to interviews or Jeff Jarretts office so the storytelling suffers a lot. Also I hate how some guys e.g Rave, Rock, Dutt, and others dont get much TV time apart from jobbing and yet they are normally on PPV's because Dixie does not want to pay them for not being on the PPV. They would rather use TBP in stupid segments rather then actually wrestle and Angelina can actually wrestle. Also it seems there is no seperation from the MEM/Frontline angle it always seems like there is something happening with them which takes away from the wrestlers currently in the ring.

[partedelaraza]

I hate how its now more talk less action.

[EeL]

I hate mainly how they're using The Beautiful People(who I find are the best thing TNA have). Kute Kip, Moose and Fake Plain are all awful to The Beautiful People. Anyway, everything else in TNA is bad especially the 15 minutes or less of "non-stop action."

[thorstone]

I know I'm not the only one who heard an audience member exclaim during the MEM's promo, "Get us to the matches!"

It was at once funny as hell and totally wrong. The MEM were trying to give direction to the episode, addressing the main event of the night, but the Florida crowd is venomous. They have got to get out of Florida.

The parts of this episode which have sucked thus far are the crowd, how TNA have divided the women's division along racial lines, and everything about the Abyss interview.

[MassNerder]

"instead of opening the show with 20 minutes of promos"

The opening promos give direction for the show and should play into building up a PPV match and/or the main event of the night.

If you remove the prologue-- you've pretty much got a series of matches that don't make any sense or lead into anything; the show doesn't pick up the plot from the previous week (viewers go WTF? and change the channel) and the show doesn't give the people left watching this train wreck a reason to remember to tune in next week, same Bat-time; same Bat-place.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be promos during the show. Of COURSE you need promos to tell the story and help flesh out the show...... But 20 minutes before you even GET to a match on a WRESTLING program called TOTAL NONSTOP ACTION wrestling is a bit ridiculous...

I'm not saying that they have to cold-start the show every week with a match as they sign on, but a good 5 to 10 minutes recapping and doing backstage interviews should MORE than suffice to get the action rolling......

[MassNerder]

Wow, I'm sure TNA will really miss your services. That's like when people say that they won't shop at Walmart anymore because they despise their low-ball tactics and driving out smaller businesses out of business. Sure, go ahead and take your business elsewhere but there's millions of people that will still shop at Walmart for the low prices so losing 1 customer doesn't mean diddly squat.

This is the same thing, losing one fan won't mean diddly squat. I don't think they really care and if you don't like the product, don't watch it. They aren't going to change in 1 week or even 1 month. If changes occur, it may take up to 1/2 a year or a year for things to work out and start heading in the right direction. There are already storylines in place for a while.

This is the same idiotic view given by people who try to rationalize why they shouldn't go out and vote....

Yes... I am only ONE viewer.... And I don't expect Jeff Jarret or anyone in TNA to give a shit about my opinion. I don't expect Dixie Carter at my door trying to court my viewership any day soon...

One person doesn't matter... but if you get enough like-minded people tuning out, TNA will have themselves a problem.

And LIKE I said in my original post, you TWAT, if I feel like the company isn't heading in the right direction within the next few months, I DO plan on stopping watching. Does anyone care? Unlikely.... But I have a feeling that if I am in the minority, I am in a GROWING minority.....

All that said, I truly do want TNA to improve and succeed and I hope by the end of this MEM/Frontline feud, I see some improvement and reason for optimisim...

[Sean_Carleton1]

This is the same idiotic view given by people who try to rationalize why they shouldn't go out and vote....

Yes... I am only ONE viewer.... And I don't expect Jeff Jarret or anyone in TNA to give a shit about my opinion. I don't expect Dixie Carter at my door trying to court my viewership any day soon...

One person doesn't matter... but if you get enough like-minded people tuning out, TNA will have themselves a problem.

And LIKE I said in my original post, you TWAT, if I feel like the company isn't heading in the right direction within the next few months, I DO plan on stopping watching. Does anyone care? Unlikely.... But I have a feeling that if I am in the minority, I am in a GROWING minority.....

All that said, I truly do want TNA to improve and succeed and I hope by the end of this MEM/Frontline feud, I see some improvement and reason for optimisim...

(Massive Applause) Good return fire and I would say the very small minority are people that that aren't total sheep still order TNA PPV's.... oh yeah and there are a lot of us turning off TNA calling them WCW is an insult because WCW was actually good for awhile and you wouldn't want 1996-1997 WCW associated with the current TNA product.

[thorstone]

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be promos during the show. Of COURSE you need promos to tell the story and help flesh out the show...... But 20 minutes before you even GET to a match on a WRESTLING program called TOTAL NONSTOP ACTION wrestling is a bit ridiculous...

I'm not saying that they have to cold-start the show every week with a match as they sign on, but a good 5 to 10 minutes recapping and doing backstage interviews should MORE than suffice to get the action rolling......

Didn't the show open with a seven or eight minute X-division match?

The part of the show where I was saying to myself, get to the matches was not the MEM's promo but rather the three consecutive backstage interviews with Abyss, LAX, and MCMGs-- who the Christ edited that together and why did the MCMGs open the show and then have an interview later? I seriously got up and went and took a ******* because nothing was happening.

Instead of doing a backstage interview-- if they are going to tease Hernandez cashing in for the world title in the coming months-- do it in the ring. In the words of Bill O'reilly, "Do it live!" Do it following a match involving LAX or MEM-- so Johnny Douche in the third row can't burry the company on national television during Scott Steiner's pause. Have Hernandez come out and watch Stings matches-- build something up for once-- don't just spring it on people this Sunday.

Are people afraid LAX will put more butts in front of the TV than Frontline?

[snapon29]

This is the same idiotic view given by people who try to rationalize why they shouldn't go out and vote....

Yes... I am only ONE viewer.... And I don't expect Jeff Jarret or anyone in TNA to give a shit about my opinion. I don't expect Dixie Carter at my door trying to court my viewership any day soon...

One person doesn't matter... but if you get enough like-minded people tuning out, TNA will have themselves a problem.

And LIKE I said in my original post, you TWAT, if I feel like the company isn't heading in the right direction within the next few months, I DO plan on stopping watching. Does anyone care? Unlikely.... But I have a feeling that if I am in the minority, I am in a GROWING minority.....

All that said, I truly do want TNA to improve and succeed and I hope by the end of this MEM/Frontline feud, I see some improvement and reason for optimisim...

oh now, I'm a twat? Oh man, you got me shaking in my boots.

It's people like you, who are the reasons why people can't sell out their stadiums, why sports franchises don't have loyal fans. Cause of people like you, who demand perfection instead of being satisfied with a growing and hopefully improving product.

That's the problem with people like you, the fact that you have no patience. Instead you cry and go into a moaning bitch fest. The alternative to TNA has already been in existence for decades, so I doubt TNA viewers who don't watch WWE are gonna suddenly switch when they could've switched 5 years ago if they thought the product sucked.

Take your perfectness and please don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Stay on subject & stop the personal insults.

[snapon29]

You need to tell this to him. I cannot let some ignorant inpatient person call me names. Especially in a thread I haven't posted in for a week.

[MassNerder]

oh now, I'm a twat? Oh man, you got me shaking in my boots.

It's people like you, who are the reasons why people can't sell out their stadiums, why sports franchises don't have loyal fans. Cause of people like you, who demand perfection instead of being satisfied with a growing and hopefully improving product.

That's the problem with people like you, the fact that you have no patience. Instead you cry and go into a moaning bitch fest. The alternative to TNA has already been in existence for decades, so I doubt TNA viewers who don't watch WWE are gonna suddenly switch when they could've switched 5 years ago if they thought the product sucked.

Take your perfectness and please don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine.

First off, Snapon... let me apologize for the "TWAT" comment... That was uncalled for and unnecessary.... Everything else I said, however, I fully stand behind....

Secondly, I am nothing like these "PEOPLE" you are trying to paint me as being like. I have been a Kansas City Chiefs fan from birth... and if you follow football at all, you know that Kansas City has recently been in a CONSTANT state of rebuilding and hasn't won a Super Bowl in over 30 years......

Not only have I been a St. Louis Cardinals fan from the womb (can you tell that I'm from Missouri?), when I was a young kid, I also rooted for the Royals. After years of watching them become perennial losers and refuse to spend any more money than the minimum on their team's salaries (letting players like Jermaine Dye, Johnny Damon and Carlos Beltran go elsewhere) I decided "Why root for an organization that only cares about making a profit instead of seriously contending for a championship?"......

I don't understand why you are being so defensive (Russo family ties, perhaps?) I NEVER said anything about expecting PERFECTION from TNA... I said that after watching it religiously for almost 3 years now, I expect to see steady improvement and I expect to feel like the company is heading in the right direction. Unfortunately, I feel every time TNA takes a step forward, they take two steps back.....

Finally, either you misunderstood my original post or you are misqouting me. I said if T-N-A wants to succeed, IT has to be a clear alternative to the WWE, not the other way around. I don't want TNA to just be a smaller, cheaper knock-off of the WWE. The only way they are ever going to compete with the McMahon empire is by doing their own thing, NOT by trying to imitate the style and delivery of the WWE.

I don't watch the WWE (that's not "completely" true.... I catch A.M. Raw every now and then). TNA is what got me excited about wrestling again. If I stop watching TNA, I'm not switching to the McMahon machine... I'm just going to stop watching wrestling altogether....

[MassNerder]

Didn't the show open with a seven or eight minute X-division match?

The part of the show where I was saying to myself, get to the matches was not the MEM's promo but rather the three consecutive backstage interviews with Abyss, LAX, and MCMGs-- who the Christ edited that together and why did the MCMGs open the show and then have an interview later? I seriously got up and went and took a ******* because nothing was happening.

Instead of doing a backstage interview-- if they are going to tease Hernandez cashing in for the world title in the coming months-- do it in the ring. In the words of Bill O'reilly, "Do it live!" Do it following a match involving LAX or MEM-- so Johnny Douche in the third row can't burry the company on national television during Scott Steiner's pause. Have Hernandez come out and watch Stings matches-- build something up for once-- don't just spring it on people this Sunday.

Are people afraid LAX will put more butts in front of the TV than Frontline?

I believe the show that opened with an x-divsion match was the week AFTER the show with nearly twenty minutes of promos and backstage skits.... It WAS nice to see that show open with a match though, I will admit.....

I couldn't agree more with your commentary on Hernandez and his title shot. It is precisely situations such as this that TNA still has plenty of room for growth and improvement. The booking team needs an overhaul, STAT!

[MassNerder]

Here's my beef....

Two weeks ago, Mick Foley announced that he would be wrestling at Genesis. This was supposed to be seen as a surprise announcement (just in case you couldn’t tell by Don West and his “ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME??!!!” reaction). I mean, sure, there were hints… and most of us assumed that when Mick joined TNA he would step inside the 6 sided ring at SOMETIME…. but still, there was meant to be an element of surprise…….

Ever since Final Resolution, TNA has been running commercials with Mick Foley, hyping his return to the ring at Genesis. So, weeks before his announcement, any TNA fan that didn’t flip the channel during commercial breaks on Impact or any fan that watched other programming on Spike saw these commercials. And once again, two weeks ago, Mick comes to the ring, makes his announcement, and the viewing audience is supposed to be surprised.......(????)

I’ve seen it recommended several times on the website, and it is one of the few things I think almost 100% of TNA fans can agree on.

TNA NEEDS a story editor which ,according to columns and articles from the site, they DON’T currently have. I can’t even begin to understand why an organization the size of TNA wouldn’t employ a FULL staff of editors. I guess instead of hiring people to edit and monitor the product they are instead diverting resources to hiring the geniuses that come up with Suicide and the Beautiful people meeting “Sarah Palin.”

It is this sort of un-professionalism that, time and time again, ends up shooting TNA in the foot…. This company has been around TOO long to still be having these types of problems…… If TNA ever wants to be seen as a realistic challenger to the WWE, these kinds of situations (among many other in the current product) HAVE to be fixed……. And SOON!

[jeriholic]

^^The definition of "making a mountain out of a mole hill"^^

[Damian_Reign]

I have a few comments that need to be said:

I have a source associated with TNA, hell I write about him every week in TNA 101. According to him, your concerns don't go on deaf ears. It is to my knowledge that someone in the creative team actually gathers well thought out criticisms and praises in mass. Things that get ignored are completely negative emails and comments as well as individual criticisms like "AJ Styles should be World Champion". They do read the net, the forums and emails. Just make sure everything you say is well written rather than some of this garble that some people write. My source in TNA actually commented that one of the creative members actually reads this site because of it being so Pro-TNA!!! You won't get the same for PWtorch or 411mania.com
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The reason TNA does so many pre-tapes is because of the Live feel to it. While I do think they should chime in audience reactions to these, the pretapes are good for the audience that attends the show and needs to reason to watch the show. I don't care if you read spoilers or not, iMPACT is semi-live to the viewing audience.
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I think a good format for a two hour show is to not have long stretches between action and talk. You can't have too much wrestling without entertainment. You can't have too many entertainment segments without action. This is a good place that TNA is sub par. A good example of this style of format is:

1) Opening In-Ring Promo
2) Match
3) Pretape
4) Pretape
5) Match
6) Pretape
7) Pretape
8) Match (Runs through the top of the hour)
9) Pretape
10) In Ring Promo
11) Match
12) Pretape
13)Main Event

*One good rule is to set a minimum amount of in-ring action to be at least 38 minutes in a two hour show
*Usually have one or two big in-ring promos.
*I think TNA should have only from 14-17 segments per show (around 8 or 9 per hour) or things are too crammed and things run together.
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You have to do research on what kind of audience TNA has and what kind of audience TNA wants.

Ask yourself this question. Why do you as a fan watch TNA iMPACT? or if you buy PPVs: Why do you buy TNA PPVs instead of waiting four days later for iMPACT

Now there are many different crowds TNA could trying to be recruiting. They could try and be finding a crossover audience from WWE. They could be trying to recruit former WWE or WCW fans that stepped away from the product some time or the other. Maybe they are trying to create new wrestling fans with their product. Finally they could be trying to put on a show that attracts non-wrestling fans who might like the entertainment value.
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My personal views regarding the steps TNA should be taking to grow their audience even more (they are slowly growing but the ratings don't show that without microscopic analysis) include but aren't limited to.

1) Perfect the concept of traditional booking- One of TNA's biggest problems is their booking which includes match booking, the inability to elevate new stars, building shows to PPVs and more.

2) Create reality but don't cross the line in reality- Reality TV is the high spot in the world right now. In the 80's it was cartoony gimmicks, 90's was about shock TV and 00's are about reality. TNA and WWE have both hit interesting high points by reaching out to the reality TV audience. WWE with the first Vince death angle, current Jeff Hardy hit and run storyline and many others. TNA with Rough Cut, Global iMPACT and the incredibly high buyrate for Lockdown's reality style encounter between Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle.

Now that is creating reality however there are points of real life you don't touch on, including Jeff Jarrett's wife, deaths of loved ones and things like that.

3) Create realistic, unpredictable, entertaining and deep characters, dialog and storylines- Evident by House, Lost, Prison Break and 24, entertaining characters and plots are what attracts these fans. Vince Russo is great with dialog and subtle comedy. However they can't have deep plot holes which is why TNA needs an editor real bad.

[thorstone]

I havn't been a fan of the talk of JJ's wife and kids-- we all know it's a work to gather heat but I think it's going too far.



"According to him, your concerns don't go on deaf ears."

Guys like Lance Storm and Konan claim that TNA doesn't want help-- or that management doesn't see a need for a shift in the product (or rebranding).


I criticize TNA because I desire to see them expand their audience, to become more palpable to the mainstream, to move to Monday night, make it more real (assign weight classes to the world titles rather than brandngs such as 'X-Division'), to simply be more patient, and build up their fueds.

I will never forget the Sting v Angle match they put on TV, announced out of nowhere, no buildup, Wrestlemania level match; Icon vs Legend-- wasted. Not only wasted but they went outside the ring in like a minute-- I wanted to see these guys wrestle-- I wanted to see perhaps a figure four reversed to a sharpshooter reversed to an ankle lock. This was one of those matches that should have gone twenty minutes at least, this should have been like The Rock vs Hogan-- this should have been a match built up over a period of three months such as the WWE does with Royal Rumble/Wrestlemania fueds.

Right now-- they have the MEM, it is good, the logo graphic isn't so good, but the group has potential to be an expanded metaphor/anagram for the WWE and how they treat their workers. However, Frontline is bombing (whether intentionally or not), and the ECW guys look like they have taken over-- I believe it's time to dissolve Frontline, make Joe a loner again, and turn MEM's attention towards LAX.

TNA has to do something quick with Christian Cage gone-- they are running out of bodies to throw at Sting; a new face has to debut soon.

[MassNerder]

^^The definition of "making a mountain out of a mole hill"^^

You may have a point... In the grand scheme of things, it isn't THAT big of a deal. But it is just a SMALL example of the dumb things TNA lets slip through the cracks... If this was an isolated situation, it wouldn't be as egregious.... but TNA makes dumb, easy-to-catch mistakes like this on nearly a weekly basis...

[thorstone]

Hernandez v Sting: this is what I'm talking about when I say TNA doesn't build things up enough-- the ending of the match was expected and allows them to do a rematch (at the PPV) but I would have had LAX doing a psychological number on Sting and the MEM for two to three weeks by coming down and watching their matches (keeping Sting in tag matches to lighten his load until the PPV) and made the case itself a character (like Viggo Mortensen's 8 gauage shotgun in Appaloosa).

I really don't understand why Brother Ray challenged Sting after the match-- Cornette should have come down and made the PPV main event between Hernandez and Sting.

[snapon29]

Hernandez v Sting: this is what I'm talking about when I say TNA doesn't build things up enough-- the ending of the match was expected and allows them to do a rematch (at the PPV) but I would have had LAX doing a psychological number on Sting and the MEM for two to three weeks by coming down and watching their matches (keeping Sting in tag matches to lighten his load until the PPV) and made the case itself a character (like Viggo Mortensen's 8 gauage shotgun in Appaloosa).

I really don't understand why Brother Ray challenged Sting after the match-- Cornette should have come down and made the PPV main event between Hernandez and Sting.


Why does every single action have to be critiqued. Can't you just be happy that TNA finally put on 2 good Impact shows in a row. The point of having a briefcase is for it to happen unexpectedly, just like CM Punk won the WWE Title by taking advantage of the situation without ever having had a rivalry with whoever he beat, I think it was Orton. Their rivalry came after that unexpected victory.

What is there a need to have a long fued between Sting and Hernandez if the point of the title opportunity is to catch Sting when he is most unexpecting it. Just like CM Punk took his opportunity when it wasn't expected.

Use your head and then maybe u will see why they did what they did.

[Sean_Carleton1]

Why does every single action have to be critiqued. Can't you just be happy that TNA finally put on 2 good Impact shows in a row.

NO WAY!!!!! I don't believe you that's impossible.... how much actual wrestling was there?

[snapon29]

Hernandez vs. Sting, The Knockouts match, The #1 Contender's match for tagteam title, Styles vs. Steiner, each of which had commercial breaks in between.

Also, I considered Team 3D's beatdown of Kurt Angle to be actual wrestling time too.

Yea, they have a lot of talking but to me, it's improving.

And they don't have that extra 5-8 minutes like RAW has or else they'd probably put on another match.

[thorstone]

I didn't have a problem with the amount of wrestling though I changed the channel during the Beautiful People's segment and the women's match (Roxxi is as photogenic as a mop).

If they had had LAX coming out for weeks watching Sting's matches, people would have known Hernandez was thinking about cashing in the case but they would not have known when he was going to do it-- people have would been forced to tune in the next week to see if Hernandez would cash it in-- Hernandez would have figuratively been hovering over Sting's shoulder like a raven.

[AustralianGQ]

^^^ thats true....might of been nice to build that up for a few weeks and they wrestle at AAO....sting would still win due to MEM interference causing LAX to join sides with the frontline and try and take down the MEM.....now hernandez is back to being a tag team wreslter with no chance of elevating himself b/c he got his TNA world title shot in a short match and lost and its over....

[Sean_Carleton1]

So Feast or Fired was pretty much a total waste unless Daniels comes back and Homicide wins the X Title then it would only be sort of a retarded idea.

[Sphere]

Why does every single action have to be critiqued. Can't you just be happy that TNA finally put on 2 good Impact shows in a row.

I cant believe this comment made by you. Why shouldnt every single action be critiqued? I am a fan, and other fans have a right to critique anything we see. You come off like the people working for TNA who see no need to change their creative approach. like you, they think that the fans should be happy that they have put together two impact programs and thats that.

Why was impact bad this week?

1) Hernandez gets buried: Unlike CM Punk winning money in the bank, the WWE actually did build him some what and it was months before he actually used the case to win his WHC. Almost everyshow or PPV he was on screen to hint that he might use the shot. Hernandez wins the title shot and like two weeks later, TNA builds him at Genesis and then at the Impact tapings(the night after Genesis) he uses his title shot and wins the match against sting via DQ. Thats ok. What was bad was for TNA to bury Hernandez by not giving him a rematch with Sting.

2) So Hernandez loses his shot and Team 3D gets the title shot with Sting? Come on?

3) Sojo Bolt: She is a heel and after she cuts her heel promo, TNA shows a roughcut segment which makes her seem face? Is she really a heel or is she really a face?

I could go on for another five reasons. Point is, Impact wasnt good this week if you really think about it.

[snapon29]

So Feast or Fired was pretty much a total waste unless Daniels comes back and Homicide wins the X Title then it would only be sort of a retarded idea.

The whole Feast/Fired idea is retarded b/c the 2 yrs. it's been done, it's been Christopher Daniels' character that his been fired, either as himself or as Curry Man, so it's basically a stupid idea to begin with and it hasn't been done well at all.

Just like having Lethal Consequences win the tag titles and lose it not even a week later at the PPV. It's stupid and really puts the whole Feast or Fired idea on the trash pile if your ask me.

[snapon29]

I cant believe this comment made by you. Why shouldnt every single action be critiqued? I am a fan, and other fans have a right to critique anything we see. You come off like the people working for TNA who see no need to change their creative approach. like you, they think that the fans should be happy that they have put together two impact programs and thats that.

Why was impact bad this week?

1) Hernandez gets buried: Unlike CM Punk winning money in the bank, the WWE actually did build him some what and it was months before he actually used the case to win his WHC. Almost everyshow or PPV he was on screen to hint that he might use the shot. Hernandez wins the title shot and like two weeks later, TNA builds him at Genesis and then at the Impact tapings(the night after Genesis) he uses his title shot and wins the match against sting via DQ. Thats ok. What was bad was for TNA to bury Hernandez by not giving him a rematch with Sting.

2) So Hernandez loses his shot and Team 3D gets the title shot with Sting? Come on?

3) Sojo Bolt: She is a heel and after she cuts her heel promo, TNA shows a roughcut segment which makes her seem face? Is she really a heel or is she really a face?

I could go on for another five reasons. Point is, Impact wasnt good this week if you really think about it.

Yea, I know, TNA isn't perfect. I think every TNA fans knows this. But I feel like the last 2 Impact shows have been a lot better than what we were seeing for the last couple of months.

For all those bad things that occurred, I could match an equal # of good things that took place on the show.

And for the record, maybe Hernandez will get a rematch with Sting, how do you know he won't?

As for Bolt, wow, so what, they did the same thing with Cowboy James Storm. In his roughcut segment, they made him look like a halfway decent guy. Roughcuts is used to show where the wrestlers came from, how they got to where they are now, probably MEANING THAT IT IS MORE REAL THAN THEIR CHARACTERS THAT THEY PLAY ON TNA. I think that's nitpicking just a bit too much.

[Sphere]

Yea, I know, TNA isn't perfect. I think every TNA fans knows this. But I feel like the last 2 Impact shows have been a lot better than what we were seeing for the last couple of months.

For all those bad things that occurred, I could match an equal # of good things that took place on the show.

And for the record, maybe Hernandez will get a rematch with Sting, how do you know he won't?

As for Bolt, wow, so what, they did the same thing with Cowboy James Storm. In his roughcut segment, they made him look like a halfway decent guy. Roughcuts is used to show where the wrestlers came from, how they got to where they are now, probably MEANING THAT IT IS MORE REAL THAN THEIR CHARACTERS THAT THEY PLAY ON TNA. I think that's nitpicking just a bit too much.

I am glad to have this conversation with you. Its good this convo is on topic between two wrestling fans.

Your right, you can match an equal # of good things that took place on the show.

Your right again, in thinking that Hernandez might get a rematch.
But by then, it wouldn't matter cause its going to be months from now. The way how I see things, Kurt is going to get the belt off sting at the PPV and Sting is going to join the Front line and be the one to go after Kurt. If TNA wants to copy this WWE idea of giving a person a world title shot, why cant they do it like the WWE? Is there a point of having a feast or fire next year when in 2008 TNA made the world title shot winner not win the world title and the tag team winners loose the belt a week after they won it? I say no, but a point can be made to say "yes" if they can do things right in 2009.

If a certain character is a heel and TNA want to make a Roughcuts segment, to make "Cowboy James Storm" - The TNA Character- as a halfway decent guy--which he could be is in real life-- TNA should turn his character into a face and then air the Roughcut. I hate compairing the two companies, but its just something WWE wont do. Can you imagine watching raw and they air a segment making Mike Knox, or even Chris Jericho as a halfway decent guy?

[MassNerder]

Why does every single action have to be critiqued. Can't you just be happy that TNA finally put on 2 good Impact shows in a row.

I think fans should be able to critique whatever they deem fit, as long as it is warranted. It is when fans STOP caring enough to critique the product that TNA should be worried....


Yea, I know, TNA isn't perfect. I think every TNA fans knows this. But I feel like the last 2 Impact shows have been a lot better than what we were seeing for the last couple of months.

For all those bad things that occurred, I could match an equal # of good things that took place on the show.

And for the record, maybe Hernandez will get a rematch with Sting, how do you know he won't?


I do agree with you that TNA has been putting on a better show the last couple of weeks. Not to say that the shows have been perfect and don't have obvious room for improvement...... still, a step in the right direction.

The fact that the Palin skits are FINALLY (presumably) over and no sign of Suicide is DEFINITELY a reason to celebrate....

And if TNA schedules Hernandez and Sting in a rematch at Against All Odds, Thursday's abbreviated title match will be forgiven. However, if we really do get Sting vs Brother Ray instead at Against All Odds, this will have been another blown oppourtunity to elevate homegrown talent....

[D.B.]

What's with all the hate on Suicide?
There's been about 3 run-ins and suddenly it's the worst thing ever?
I was very pleased at the first one as it seemed obvious that Suicide was Kaz due to his wrestling moves, for me Kaz is one of TNA's best performers so it was all good, I would have preferred normal Kaz but I take what I can get with TNA sometimes

My main issues with TNA are

They like to ignore their own recent storylines and history to push a new storyline

Raka Khan, her work always seems slow and sloppy and she's nowhere near a convincing wrestler, if TNA had taken the money they pay Raka and gave it to Gail Kim...

Ad-breaks during good matches, every chance they get it's the same but we get longer promos/backstage segments without ads?

I'm still not pleased with the unmentioned disappearance of Crystal, she always seemed very enthusiastic and genuinely interested in what she was doing. As of late Lauren seems like she's not really trying anymore, there's an occasional disgusted/shocked expression but that's about as far as it goes

[Rottenrocker]

Where a IMPACT! main event of STING vs. ANGLE vs. 3D is the main event of a $30 dollar PPV. That says it all really.

[John]

What's with all the hate on Suicide?
There's been about 3 run-ins and suddenly it's the worst thing ever?
I was very pleased at the first one as it seemed obvious that Suicide was Kaz due to his wrestling moves, for me Kaz is one of TNA's best performers so it was all good, I would have preferred normal Kaz but I take what I can get with TNA sometimes

Well... For me, it's two reasons.

1: This is exactly Abyss' gimmick, Which makes him a rip-off.

2: What is the point in him being there? To Advertise the game is what most people say... However, The game came out several months before Suicide came on.

[Sphere]

Well... For me, it's two reasons.

1: This is exactly Abyss' gimmick, Which makes him a rip-off.

2: What is the point in him being there? To Advertise the game is what most people say... However, The game came out several months before Suicide came on.

Your double correct. Suicide is a promotional tool for the Impact videogame and I dont know how many months Kaz will be out, but TNA might as well hang up the Suicide suit until impact2 is announced and re debut the character.

[John]

Your double correct. Suicide is a promotional tool for the Impact videogame and I dont know how many months Kaz will be out, but TNA might as well hang up the Suicide suit until impact2 is announced and re debut the character.

I don't think that would be a good move my friend. If he mysteriously dissapears for months then automatically turns up... How will they explain him leaving? He's not going to take another one of Abyss' gimmicks and claim he was in a mental home.

[Sphere]

I don't think that would be a good move my friend. If he mysteriously dissapears for months then automatically turns up... How will they explain him leaving? He's not going to take another one of Abyss' gimmicks and claim he was in a mental home.

Yeah, your right. I was thinking, but I never wrote it, maybe they would use Suicide again for the next videogame. Again, your right.

[Vanno]

Well the MEM is getting stale real quick. There isn't enough losing on their end, and no real buildup to the supposed feud. It is just MEM beating, MEM beating, maybe a small victory on the Frontline end, and then back to MEM beating. I'm quite done with the whole thing, and will probably stop watching if something new doesn't happen.

[Sphere]

It is getting stale. How good can this MEM feud be when you have Vince Russo of all people help write the feud? You dont even have to watch WCW re runs on WWE 24/7 to know how this dude help destroyed interest in WCW. Do a google search. Many mistakes have been made, they give Booker T the Legends title and he is not defending it! Right now, it seems like Booker will defend it soon, but it will be against a Ref! If Angle wins the title, will Jeff come back and win it from Angle? If Jeff wins the title, then what does it say about the whole feud? I said this in another thread that Dixie Carter has to do something about her whole creative team and their leader Jeff Jarrett at TNA.

[snapon29]

Well the MEM is getting stale real quick. There isn't enough losing on their end, and no real buildup to the supposed feud. It is just MEM beating, MEM beating, maybe a small victory on the Frontline end, and then back to MEM beating. I'm quite done with the whole thing, and will probably stop watching if something new doesn't happen.

I think there's been more success on the Frontline since the Genesis PPV with the win at Genesis between Styles/Foley/D-Von and last week they did well with putting Angle through the table, and with getting Petey Williams involved in Steiner/Styles match.

But yea, from yesterday's show, they characterized the MEM as dominating again. I think I would say TNA is trying to get the Frontline more victories but it's still not enough of a rivalry to be convincing enough.

[oldskoolnwa]

It is getting stale. How good can this MEM feud be when you have Vince Russo of all people help write the feud? You dont even have to watch WCW re runs on WWE 24/7 to know how this dude help destroyed interest in WCW. Do a google search. Many mistakes have been made, they give Booker T the Legends title and he is not defending it! Right now, it seems like Booker will defend it soon, but it will be against a Ref! If Angle wins the title, will Jeff come back and win it from Angle? If Jeff wins the title, then what does it say about the whole feud? I said this in another thread that Dixie Carter has to do something about her whole creative team and their leader Jeff Jarrett at TNA.

If they let this ref win a legends title, then TNA would have sunk to a new low.

[The Dudebuster]

^TNA has sunk to a low by not using this belt (or a new belt for that matter) very well, as for Shane winning it, he's one of the few faces people care about/relate to in a character/performance sense (rather than people marking for lots of moves/flips) so eventhough he's been badly returned into his ref role, hopefully they can re-adjust their mistake and use this to make him a full time wrestler.

[thorstone]

I missed the first eight minutes of the last show but did LAX even get mentioned on the broadcast? Was I out of the room when they were?

I guess it is official with the Angle v Sting v Team 3D main event booked that Hernandez will see no rematch and the case was totally wasted. Total Nonstop Fail.

Around 70&#37; of Royal Rumble winners go on to capture the title at Wrestlemania-- that is what makes winning such a stipulation as a Rumble or case match successful; the draw is the signaling of the changing of the guard.


And I am perplexed as to why Team 3D declared they wanted to move on to singles action the previous week and then appear with the IWGP tag titles? This show makes no freaking sense.

I'm sick of the ECW Originals (send all of them back up North and pay Christian Cage what he wanted)-- and if the title is to be passed to Angle, use a guy like Hernandez as a transitional champion-- IE, Sting drops the title to Hernandez who then drops it to Angle a month (not a week) later.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

I had some time so I went through TNA's roster to looked up the guys that I thought TNA has heavily underused, underrated, and just wondered...what's stopping them from pushing these people?

Sonjay Dutt - Here's a guy who's a TNA original since the Nashville days but yet for some reason, all the years he's been in the company...why has he never gotten a proper push? I think the So Cal Val/Jay Lethal storyline was the only major storyline he's had in the company. Before people start saying "remember Basebrawl, the Kevin Nash/X Division storyline, ect." but he was nothing more than a generic filler guy in those...you could have taken him out, put anybody else in & get the same effect. And after he won the feud & stole Val, they did one promo explaining why Val turned on Lethal & nothing else important since. He was forgotten about again right when that feud was over & it's also a complete waste of Val as well.

Lance Hoyt - You can call him Hoyt or Rock or his original TNA name in Dallas but he's been around as long as Sonjay in being a TNA original back to the Nashville days but he's been floundering along since Kid Kash left years ago. First he was own his own as Hoyt but the guy was impressive in the ring for being as tall he was...he had the physical look of Kevin Nash & Test but showed more potential that they never had on their best day. Name another big man like that who could move as quick as he did & be able to fly/do moonsaults like he can? However, I never recall him given the chance to cut a real promo to see if he can talk (even to this day, I never remember him talking) and the best TNA came up with for something for him to do was "lets have Matt Bentley attack him on Xplosion (not Impact but the syndicated show that 99&#37; can't watch or doesn't know exist) to set up an unimportant PPV match that was nothing more than a backdrop to the Sting story throughout the night (watch Destination X 2006 to see what I'm talking about). Outside of having another filler team with Ron Killings for a few weeks that was only around to put others over, he didn't do anything until....

Rock N' Rave Infection - They teamed Hoyt with Jimmy Rave (another misused filler talent) & put Christy Hemme with them as a filler tag team who's only importance was to again be in filler matches (like LockDown, Feast Or Fired, Fight For The Right) & put others over like L.A.X. & Super Eric's group. They were never designed to be a team you can take seriously and how are they misused right now? TNA's tag team division is just about dead, sorry but the reality & the truth is a bitch. Team 3D ditched their teased tag title feud with Beer Money to be in the main event scene with Frontline, L.A.X. & MCMG's are doing the solo/non-tag division thing at the moment only leaving these makeshift tag teams like Lethal & Creed along with Morgan & Abyss to give Beer Money something to do while the only long term team in Rock N' Rave are again sitting out on the sidelines. With TNA wanting to turn Christy Hemme babyface, they couldn't do the same thing with Rock N' Rave at that time and possibly helping Hemme take care of Cute Kip during that short Beautiful People feud to help get them over? With all the hype behind Jimmy Rave, I sure haven't seen it in TNA and Hoyt is again...underutilized & heavily underrated.

Jay Lethal - I'm just going to put it bluntly here in that how can you go from the top singles star (Kurt Angle) & the top tag team (Team 3D) in the company putting you over cleanly for months with a parody/ripoff/tribute...whatever you want to call it...of a gimmick that got over so huge that he became one of the highest draws in the company (when it comes to merchandise sales...or so TNA told us) to going back to being in these opening card/multiman matches on PPV's, constantly losing to the main event stars who put him over months ago, to now being the next makeshift filler team put put Beer Money over as their 3 day title reign with the case showcased.

Traci Brooks - The original Knockout hasn't had anything valuable to do since her storyline with Banks/Roode ended and at a time where they need to replace the void left by Gail Kim along which Wilde, Roxxi, O.D.B. and Hemme couldn't/weren't ready to fill along with having a new face that hasn't already feuded with all the heels (Kong & Beautiful People)...she's backstage in a role as "Knockout law" that results in us not seeing her for extended periods of time.

Kaz - I know he's suppost to be Suicide right now but that role could have went to another X division guy they weren't using or over in their current role like Sonjay. Kaz was just one main event feud away from being a bonified star in TNA. Whenever he didn't have his own highlight reel off a PPV, he had a match that was one recieved as one of the best on the entire card. He was just like Lethal in having victories & getting the positive rub from the top main event talents in the company along with coming out looking strong even in defeat like when he lost to Angle on Impact after that Ladder Match with Christian, check the responces on here alone...Kaz's performance was talked about more than the fact that he lost. When Kaz replaced Kurt Angle at Sacrifice, he didn't look out of place at all...all he needed was that one big setup, victory, and followup like how Lethal got from Angle/Team 3D and he could be right there besides A.J. & Joe in Frontline. But instead when he was still heavily over with the crowd, they drop him completely and put him under a mask as Suicide. Another missed opportunity by TNA here.

Anyways, that's my rant.

[Sphere]

I will edit more thoughts tomorrow.

Sonjay Dutt: TNA dropped the ball.
Rock N' Rave Infection: TNA has got to do something with this team. They should be re branded as a new team. Christy is gone, they should quit the rock shit.

Jay Lethal: Tomorrow I will answer about him.
Traci Brooks: Dear TNA, What is Traci Brooks doing in her new role? Where is she?

Kaz:Tomorrow I will answer about him.

Good night.

[John]

Ok, Here's my Top 3!:

D-Von: He did fantastic promos whilst Bubba was out of action, But as soon as he returns he goes to his usual state of boredom, It seems as long as Bubba is around, We can expect the worse from him. I say put him in a Legends Title against Booker and then we might get to see his real talents shine out.

Traci Brooks: The problem is, She's has every gimmick & Storyline under the sun, And this new official position is a way of her getting less time on TV but still being noticed. I'd like her to become a member of the Beautiful people if possible, Of even side with Roxxi and Taylor.

James Storm: Have you not seen him on iMPACT? He's a classically funny guy, Who really should be above where he is. His beer gimmick is comically class, His new gadgets he brings down to the ring each week are great, He should be above all this Abyss & Morgan shit now. He should be in the Main Event Rank.

[Vanno]

They misuse pretty much everybody that isn't Angle, Sting or the Knockouts.

[Sweet N' Sour]

Totally agree about Hoyt and Kaz. Hoyt was extremely over in 2005. People in the front row, wore 'Hoyt-a-mania' shirts every show. He's never really been given a chance imo.

[darkwolf]

LAX-
Homicide won a X-Division title shot. Where is it ? I only see a Shelley vs Sabin feud coming and Homicide should have been used at Genesis, cashing his shot and winning it, instead of the MCMG spliting up.

Hernandez- won a world title shot, won by DQ against Sting ( no title ) and should have been given a spot at the main event on AAO, but no he's stuck doing run ins

Lethal- This guy has so much charisma and talent that he should be fighting MEM and not tag teaming with Creed or doing run ins

KAZ- Another guy getting screwed, and used for run ins. Suicide might be a career suicide

Hoyt and Rave- good tag team with the potential to be great. What are they doing now ? Rave is on his own and Hoyt vanished

[Sean_Carleton1]

Hell No!

Here are some guys they don't utilize properly

Homicide

A.J. Styles

Kaz

Lethal

Hernandez

Jimmy Rave

Samoa Joe

I could give you reasons why but I've got to get going

I forgot the biggest waste of talent in TNA history "THE FALLEN ANGEL" CHRISTOPHER Fuckin' DANIELS the man should be the leader of The Frontline!

[jeriholic]

Sonjay Dutt - I like "The Guru" gimmick, and think he'll get his dues this year. I hope anyway.

Lance Hoyt - Is a big man who can move in the ring, and I think Tna has never came close to using him to his full potential.

Rock N' Rave Infection - IMO never had a chance to truly show what they could do, and they might as well officially split them up. And maybe Hoyt and Rave could still go on to have successful singles careers.

Jay Lethal - Him and Kaz are the biggest "head scratchers" of this list. Like the original poster said Lethal holds victory's over both Team 3D and Kurt Angle was mega over for the latter part of 2007 and the beginning of 2008. But is now in a tag team. IMO Lethal should have been the face of the X--div and helped the Division return to former glory.

Traci Brooks - Sorry, I have no opinion on her good or bad.

Kaz - Should have been TNA champ by now, instead of being wasted in a gimmick that some indy guy could have filled....nough said.

[Damian_Reign]

The problem with focusing on less people means that less people have a chance of getting over. Think about two things 1) TNA has had inconsistent booking for years and 2) TNA's roster is so crowded that not everyone will be given the same chances.

Christopher Daniels- Fallen Angel is the most underutilized in TNA. He underwent a new gimmick in 2007, failed in his feud with Sting, had a failed Tag Team reunion with Triple X then was thrust into the Curry Man gimmick for the majority of 2008. Hopefully this changes in the new year with the rumors of Daniels moving into the main event scene.

Jay Lethal- Youngest star in TNA for years. Beat Jeff Jarrett in 2006, beat Kurt Angle in 2007, saved the X Division in 2008. What after that? The supposed savior of the X Division should have been pushed hard to see if he would get over in the main event. Unfortunately he lost the title to Petey Williams, had a poor feud with Sonjay Dutt and was thrown into a tag team with Consequences Creed. He is pushed, just not hard enough. Don't fret fans, TNA Management loves Jay Lethal, Jay Lethal loves TNA and Lethal has alot of opportunities and a long time to get into the main event scene.

Rock N Rave Infection- TNA never had any really big plans for Rave, so him having a job where he gets paid more than ROH is still pretty good. Hoyt was Tag Team Champion on two occasions, was over in 2005 but let his attitude derail him. Management decided to punish him and he has never really gotten back on course. A failed tag team with Ron Killings, the less than spectacular VKM partnership and now the forgotten Tag Team with Jimmy Rave. Hoyt should get another opportunity.

ODB- She was extremely over in 2007. Unfortunately TNA went over the top with her character and she lost some of her appeal. They need to get back on track and maybe give her a tag team title.

Raisha Saeed- She is extremely talented but has been made to look secondary to Awesome Kong while being fodder for all the good gal Knockouts. Separate her from Kong and prove why she is the deadly knockout.

Roxxi- The hardcore Knockout should have been over huge after having her head shaved bald. Unfortunately TNA never followed up on this and Roxxi never exacted her revenge.

Sonjay Dutt- I have no clue what happened with Sonjay. I felt he should have been the one to derail Black Machismo in 2008 for the title. TNA should have at least followed up his success from his feud over Lethal.

Suicide/Kaz- Kaz was extremely over in 2008 but it should be noted that the fans were starting to turn on him. TNA decided that since Suicide was going to be a huge player they wanted to push then they wanted Kaz to play the role.

Traci Brooks- We can't blame everything on TNA. It should be known that Traci has nerve or muscle problems in one of her arms that makes it difficult to wrestle.


LET'S LOOK AT WHO TNA HAS PUSHED IN 2008:
Sheik Abdul Bashir- Came on board in World's X Cup. Won the X Title two months later and was pretty much the face of the X Division for the next couple of months.

Abyss- Was successful in his feud with Judas Mesias. Was repackaged in the Summer and formed a tag team with Matt Morgan where the hung out around the top of the tag team division.

Awesome Kong- The premiere heel of the Knockouts Division has always lingered around the title and who could blame her.

Beautiful People- The first half of 2008 saw a great role for the heels of TNA. They were the hated ones of TNA. They fell off the bus a little in the latter half of the year but could regain their roles.

Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, Booker T and Sting- The MEM all have had huge roles in the company in 2008 whether it has been with the MEM or individually.

Consequences Creed- TNA hasn't given him a huge push but they have elevated him up the card. I can't complain about what they have done with Creed.

Eric Young- Super Eric has had one of the most successful years out of anyone. He won three championship matches (two X and one tag team) but never won the title. His win loss record is solid and has been a focal point of TNA.

LAX- From winning Deuce's Wild, to feuding with Beer Money to winning Feast or Fired, LAX has been prominent in TNA.

Beer Money Inc- The golden boys for TNA management have received huge pushes over the year and who could blame them. Beer Money is a great tag team. The only negative is how weak Storm looked in his feud with Sting that never properly finished.

Matt Morgan- Was Jim Cornette's assistant until he became a wrestler. Formed a team with Abyss, was a little successful.

Petey Williams- Became Maple Leaf Muscle, joined Scott Steiner, won the X Title and teamed with the Frontline.

Samoa Joe- Has looked like a whiner, but a dominant whiner at that. Won the World Title at Lockdown, never successfully proved he was better than Booker T, lost the title to Sting. Was overshadowed most the year by Kevin Nash

Shark Boy- Was given the Stone Cold gimmick, defeated Team 3D in a Fish Market Street Fight and joined the Prince Justice Brotherhood later in the year.

Taylor Wilde- Was given a massive push constantly winning over Kong and the Beautiful People.



TNA does have long term storyline consistency, but has poor longterm booking consistency

[darkwolf]

LAX- From winning Deuce's Wild, to feuding with Beer Money to winning Feast or Fired, LAX has been prominent in TNA.



Look what they gain with Feast or Fired- Homicide is yet to wrestle for the X-Division belt and i doubt he'll do it anytime soon, and Hernandez cashed his title shot and was screwed with Sting winning the match by DQ

So you say they are proeminent in TNA ? :no::no:

[thorstone]

The only talent which I feel is not being used to full potential is LAX-- they should be in the spot of Team 3D against Angle and Sting.

[Vanno]

The only talent which I feel is not being used to full potential is LAX-- they should be in the spot of Team 3D against Angle and Sting.

Hell, Homicide should be going for the Heavyweight title. The few minutes of action between him and Angle last week were incredible, and an Angle-Homicide feud could be a real winner.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Jay Lethal- Youngest star in TNA for years. Beat Jeff Jarrett in 2006, beat Kurt Angle in 2007, saved the X Division in 2008. What after that? The supposed savior of the X Division should have been pushed hard to see if he would get over in the main event. Unfortunately he lost the title to Petey Williams, had a poor feud with Sonjay Dutt and was thrown into a tag team with Consequences Creed. He is pushed, just not hard enough. Don't fret fans, TNA Management loves Jay Lethal, Jay Lethal loves TNA and Lethal has alot of opportunities and a long time to get into the main event scene.

With the inconsistant booking that you just named, we're suppost to just believe that he'll eventually make it into the main event scene?


ODB- She was extremely over in 2007. Unfortunately TNA went over the top with her character and she lost some of her appeal. They need to get back on track and maybe give her a tag team title.

The TNA tag team division is already lukewarm as it is...they don't need a woman in that division too.


Suicide/Kaz- Kaz was extremely over in 2008 but it should be noted that the fans were starting to turn on him. TNA decided that since Suicide was going to be a huge player they wanted to push then they wanted Kaz to play the role.

Besides the "Super Eric" stunt that TNA pulled to to take the belts off Styles/Tomko, name some times where the crowd was turning on Kaz because I never saw/heard it anyplace as nobody else ever noted it either.


Sheik Abdul Bashir- Came on board in World's X Cup. Won the X Title two months later and was pretty much the face of the X Division for the next couple of months.

And it should be noted as well that this was TNA's attempt to do the Muhammed Hassan anti-american/post 9-11 gimmick to the point where he got the sterotypical name of "Sheik" that's always tagged with middle eastern wrestlers, had the sounds of an airplane landing at the beginning of his theme, and even showed him infront of an airport at the start of his entrance video.


Eric Young- Super Eric has had one of the most successful years out of anyone. He won three championship matches (two X and one tag team) but never won the title. His win loss record is solid and has been a focal point of TNA.

Like you said earlier, problem with long-term storyline booking because when Eric Young looked to be one of the top guys elevated in the Frontline & even took his character back to his "serious" Team Canada days by making that speech at Turning Point & being the one to take the MCMG to task for their lack of loyality to the Frontline...he was shoved in the back along with everyone else not named A.J. & Joe to make way for the ECW reunion and hasn't had an important role in the MEM feud. You can also try to look at the glass "half full " by naming all the titles he's won but it's always going to be remembered as "half empty" because of all the crap surrounding it that didn't help Eric with anything in the end & had him looking even weaker afterwards.


Beer Money Inc- The golden boys for TNA management have received huge pushes over the year and who could blame them. Beer Money is a great tag team. The only negative is how weak Storm looked in his feud with Sting that never properly finished.

No doubt, TNA's hottest act at the moment...but again, they're a tag team because they've done everything possible as opening/midcard guys while constantly losing/being squashed in their big time feuds/matches with TNA's main events guys (like you mentioned with Storm/Sting) which stops their elevation into the main event scene as credible heels.


Taylor Wilde- Was given a massive push constantly winning over Kong and the Beautiful People.

Her push followed the same formula as WWE's debuts with people like Gail Kim & Santino Marella in that the decide to put a championship on them & expect people to give a damn about the character just based off a win they got...that never works. Taylor wasn't given a character, personality, or a reason for the audience to care & she flopped hard. You talk earlier about people turning on Kaz, you heavily saw the backlash & people turn on Wilde.


TNA does have long term storyline consistency, but has poor longterm booking consistency

Bingo but I'll be fair in that they have their positives & negatives but about my original post, I was talking about the guys who have been in the company for years dating back to Nashville but yet never got their break for one reason or another. Most of the others names like L.A.X., Styles, Joe, Daniels, Devon, and James Storm....we can all at least say that they've had consistant pushes, important championship reigns, and been involved important players in some of TNA's most memorable matches & moments at one point or another in their careers.

[darkwolf]

The best thing that could happen to these guys is the MEM guys + 3D retire or leave.

[crazychrisr]

Lance Hoyt / Rock & Rave Infection
Even in the old days of TNA, Lance Hoyt bored me. He doesn't have "it". Doing a couple of moonsaults isn't enough to interest me. He doesn't sell very well and can't cut a promo to get himself over. TNA is using him perfectly as a jobber and fill-in big man.
As for the Rock and Rave Infection, I hated the concept as it was juvenile and they all acted like 12 year old brats. Not cool. I would give Jimmy Rave a chance to go into the X Division as a singles wrestler to see if he can make a name for himself there. If not, kick him back to ROH.

Jay Lethal
I put him and his Black Machismo gimmick in the same category as the Rock and Rave Infection - juvenile. I liked Lethal back in ROH so maybe I am just having a hard time adjusting to him moving from Samoa Joe's protege to a Macho Man impersonator. I believe that he will only move up in the TNA rankings if he drops the Black Machismo.

ODB
Someone in this thread said it best when they said that ODB is over-the-top. That about sums it up. She has lost her coolness and has moved into patheticness.

Sonjay Dutt
Has the wrestling ability to be at the top of the X Division. His storyline involving So Cal Val hasn't gotten him the heat that TNA was probably hoping for. I think that his time will come in a feud with Alex Shelley.

Kaz
Very weird history between TNA and Kaz. Started with TNA in 2003 as Frankie Kazarian and then left in Oct. 2003 only to return 6 months later. Then in early 2005 he quit and signed with WWE but got realease a few months later. He finally tucked his tail between his legs and came crawling back to TNA in July 2006 and has been stuck in mid-card hell until 2008 when he got a push, culminating in a classic match against Kurt Angle. Then for some reason, TNA decided that he would be best served as the masked cartoon character Suicide. Me thinks that Kaz has been his own worst enemy and will only get a push if he proves that he can do a good job with the Suicide character.

Traci Brooks
Great tits. Irritating voice. If she is indeed unable to wrestle as mentioned above, then she is useless to TNA.

That is just one man's opinion
Chris

[RealfnShow]

With all the current roster cuts, signing "fresh talent", ppv buys dropping. TNA really needs to wake the F up. Ive been an advocate of their product since day one. Everyone here knows that I just to defend it like no other. Now I find myself watching PWG and the indies. Why? because all the product is in shambles. The MEM storyline has gone down the drain. The FL are left laid out after every show and theyre the biggest bitches ever. The guns are the smartest out of the group. By the time Nash, Steiner and all the older vets retire they'll have a .5 rating and 5,000 buys. Well be left to watch the torture of Creed and Magnus and that stupid looking bodybuilder who has very little talent, according to Meltzer. And someone plz tell me you why they manage to release good X-division talent like Rave and Petey but Kip and Rhyno are still on the roster.

your thoughts.......

You know its bad when Im looking forward to NWO. TNA keeps slapping me in the face. Someone e-mail them and tell them to fire creative.

[Relapse]

It seems like WWE & TNA are both making some really bad decisions and seems like they are both kinda doing the same thing aswell, I dont like TNA nor do I watch it but every once in awhile i like to know whats going on and it seems like this is going to be just as much of a mistake as WWE's "PG" rating bullshit

[Sean_Carleton1]

WWE always has their problems but TNA is a problem as a whole now.

[Sphere]

With all the current roster cuts, signing "fresh talent", ppv buys dropping. TNA really needs to wake the F up. Ive been an advocate of their product since day one. Everyone here knows that I just to defend it like no other. Now I find myself watching PWG and the indies. Why? because all the product is in shambles. The MEM storyline has gone down the drain. The FL are left laid out after every show and theyre the biggest bitches ever. The guns are the smartest out of the group. By the time Nash, Steiner and all the older vets retire they'll have a .5 rating and 5,000 buys. Well be left to watch the torture of Creed and Magnus and that stupid looking bodybuilder who has very little talent, according to Meltzer. And someone plz tell me you why they manage to release good X-division talent like Rave and Petey but Kip and Rhyno are still on the roster.

your thoughts.......

You know its bad when Im looking forward to NWO. TNA keeps slapping me in the face. Someone e-mail them and tell them to fire creative.

TNA is still in Dreamland and can never get out of it. You have Dixie Carter (TNA president) who believes that TNA Impact is on par with WWE programing in terms of ratings. I believe she said that in an interview with the uk sun. Listen, we all know that a 1hour ECW gets better ratings than TNA Impact. Every week, Every week, TNA struggles keep a 1.0 rating. ECW gets like 1.5 almost every week. So if the president thinks that way, TNA is never going to change cause they believe they are a clone of their competitor.

"By the time Nash, Steiner and all the older vets retire they'll have a .5 rating and 5,000 buys. "

Why, cause TNA has zero stars of their own. If TNA is coming to your town and you see a commercial, its going to say this.

See your favorite TNA stars: Kurt Angle, Sting(TNA Champ), Jeff Jarrett, Booker T, Mick Foley(who doesn't even wrestle). Then after they list all the ex WWE and WCW talent, you hear AJ, Joe, and ref Shane Sewell. I know some new TNA commercials mention AJ and Kurt as "TNA stars", but lets get it straight, who has been more of a star in TNA? Kurt.

AJ was hanging up various wrestlers clothing and wrestling in a turkey suit.

Last year, Kurt was the TNA champion. Kurt went to japan to beat "MR. IWGP" Nagata in front of almost 40,000 people. Kurt also held the IWGP 3rd title, and all of the TNA belts at the same time.


Well be left to watch the torture of Creed and Magnus and that stupid looking bodybuilder who has very little talent, according to Meltzer. And someone plz tell me you why they manage to release good X-division talent like Rave and Petey but Kip and Rhyno are still on the roster.

Brian Alvarez said that Creed wouldn't make it out of OVW & FCW. I can make my own comment on Magnus. I dont understand why TNA expected Chris Sabin to some how make Magnus seem better. You know what am saying. You cant expect a good wrestling match with Sabin and Magnus when Magnus is an inch above novice to the sport and Sabin is a proven wrestler. Magnus should have just came in and squashed sabin and thats it. Magnus cant wrestle a long match.

"Someone e-mail them and tell them to fire creative."

You know who is on creative though. Jeff Jarrett is the head of creative and he has a stake in TNA. For creative to be fired someone has to buy out the company and then fire jarrett and everyone else.

nd someone plz tell me you why they manage to release good X-division talent like Rave and Petey but Kip and Rhyno are still on the roster.

Along with talent like Rhaka Khan, Creed, Bashir, and I hate to say it, but Christy Hemme. For the longest time, she hasnt been worth anything to TNA. With her feud with Kong, she has been worth something to the show, but now she is forgettable and I dont want to see her return and maybe end up winning the womens title.

[RKO]

TNA with the bad economy and bad product will be out of buisness in a few years sadly to say and WWE will official be the ''kings'' of professional american wrestling.

[Virman Vundabar]

Here is my two cents.........

I think AJ and Joe should be more the focus of the promotion even though they are on the smaller side. Their talent is huge. Put them over Booker, Nash, and Steiner on a regular basis. Don't make it that they are chasing the Main Event Mafia or trying to prove their worth, have them win soundly and often.

Christopher Daniels seemed misused as Curry Man and I don't even know what he is doing now. Bring him back and push him as X division champ please.

Angle shouldn't be part of a team like MEM. He should be pushed as a wrestling machine who needs no one.

I prefer Abyss as a misguided monster not as a comedic foil that they are usiing him for now.

If Mick Foley is just going to tell kayfabe stories on his hardcore memories segment that seems like a waste. TNA can't afford to live in the past, it is a waste of Foley's talent and it does nothing to get TNA guys over. And Mick should be on the booking committee. He has a great mind for the business.

Cornette is good as authority figure but I would much rather see him manage someone and cut promos that put TNA wrestlers over. TNA is missing the boat on a Cornette vs Nash war of words. And Corny should also be on the booking committee as he also has a great mind for the business.

They don't seem to be doing anything good with Rhino.

And I won't be popular saying this but guys like Lethal, Creed, LAX and Eric Young are never going to be a big deal. They lack "it".

The Knockout division is a big waste of time. If hot chicks equal ratings just have ring girls. If there really needs to be womens wrestling in TNA have a woman champ and bring in one or two female wrestlers at a time to challenge her.

Kip James is useless. Anytime he is on tv he is misused.

Don West has grown on me over the years but he seems better suited for a Gene Okerland type role than a color commentator.

[Smartmark]

I also prefered Abyss as a monsterheel, just like Kane in WWE.
Both WWE and TNA has made their two biggest monsters jobbers, I think that's a dumb idea. They should bring back some heat to them.

I also would like to see Foley in a match. They should make him go against Abyss in a Barbed Wire Massacre match. That would push both!

[Virman Vundabar]

I also prefered Abyss as a monsterheel, just like Kane in WWE.
Both WWE and TNA has made their two biggest monsters jobbers, I think that's a dumb idea. They should bring back some heat to them.

I also would like to see Foley in a match. They should make him go against Abyss in a Barbed Wire Massacre match. That would push both!

Abyss and Foley seems like a natural to me.

I'd also like to see Foley and Jarrett work as a team for a while, build up their friendship, then have them feud over control (or direction) of the company. The matches might not be 5 stars, but the promos would be.

[Smartmark]

Yeah....I would also love a feud between Sting and Foley. Since Foley showed his respect for Sting and vice verca the last couple of weeks. That could easily change for the better to make a good feud between the two.

I loved Abyss back at the time he was a Monsterheel that crushed anybody. And when he won the TNA Title, I marked!

[Virman Vundabar]

Yeah....I would also love a feud between Sting and Foley. Since Foley showed his respect for Sting and vice verca the last couple of weeks. That could easily change for the better to make a good feud between the two.

I loved Abyss back at the time he was a Monsterheel that crushed anybody. And when he won the TNA Title, I marked!

Well...I do think that part of TNA's problem is they don't push they younger guys. Plus they don't have a lot of younger guys of the heavyweight size range who can work. But yeah, I too would like to see a Stinger vs Foley feud.

Maybe they could touch upon their I Quit match in WCW. Jack lost consciousness but never actually said "I quit" if I am remembering it right. In fact I think those matches with Sting pretty much elevated Foley in WCW at the time. You are right, there is fertile ground there if TNA booked that.

And Abyss should be in the rafters or tearing up the lockeroom and just generally terrorizing guys like Nash and Steiner. I don't see how it puts him or TNA over to have him doing bad jokes with Stevie Richards (who I like for comedy).

[Smartmark]

They could have used that kayfabe about Sting knocking out Foley's teeth. Foley wants revenge for his lost teeth

[Sean_Carleton1]

Who would Sting vs. Foley help? I guess it would draw decent numbers which TNA hasn't done since Lockdown '08 so maybe it is good for them but it may quite possibly be a measly 2 star match that everyone uses as ammunition against TNA as proof that they are not concerned with their young talent or original fans.

[Virman Vundabar]

Who would Sting vs. Foley help? I guess it would draw decent numbers which TNA hasn't done since Lockdown '08 so maybe it is good for them but it may quite possibly be a measly 2 star match that everyone uses as ammunition against TNA as proof that they are not concerned with their young talent or original fans.

I get what you are saying and I agree that TNA needs to put over their younger talent better than they have. But I also don't think there should be a rigid rule that you can't have veterans working together. Sting vs Foley might draw in people who have fallen out of interest with wrestling over the years. And done right, other wrestlers could be put into the mix of that feud. You could wind up with Sting and AJ vs Foley and Joe or something else. It all depends on the planning, execution and follow through which I don't think has been TNA's strong point lately. But that doesn't mean it couldn't be done right.

[Gary]

^True, I don't think it's a good idea to always have just old guys vs young guys, I think a balance is the best way, old vs old (in this case Sting vs Angle or as suggested Sting vs Foley) with an under card of for example Beer Money vs 3D and something like Lethal vs Shelley cover 3 scenarios of old vs old, old vs young and young vs young providing variety what a variety show needs and also a wide range of options that would draw a broader ppv audience.

TNA need to learn how do do this effectively without doing what they have which is shut out young guys through beatings on the show and losing most of the time whilst showing little credibility, where they always look inferior or even as simple as having them off ppv's til the last minute then give a bunch of them a random accomplish nothing matches which displays their unimportance compared to the older and established guys.

[John]

The MEM storyline has gone down the drain. The FL are left laid out after every show and theyre the biggest bitches ever. The guns are the smartest out of the group. By the time Nash, Steiner and all the older vets retire they'll have a .5 rating and 5,000 buys.

Erm, That is supposed to happn, FrontLine are supposed to be knocked out after every show mainly because they aren't as talented as MEM. Somehow I hope by the end of this angle that MEM will not do this and FrontLine will somehow gain more experience from him.


Well be left to watch the torture of Creed and Magnus and that stupid looking bodybuilder who has very little talent, according to Meltzer.

Ok, How the fuck are you basing your opinion on something that the DoucheBag Meltzer says? Base it on somethinf Ryan Clark says, Not Dave Meltzer. IMO Magnus isn't a bad star, As is Creed, They are both in-need of a tweak but come on, They aint that bad! Now Pull Yourself Together!

[Gary]

Erm, That is supposed to happn, FrontLine are supposed to be knocked out after every show mainly because they aren't as talented as MEM. Somehow I hope by the end of this angle that MEM will not do this and FrontLine will somehow gain more experience from him.

I think you said the same thing 3 months ago :whistle:

MEM are breaking themselves up with minimal FL input/influence, which as I said is the opposite of what the angle should be.

[Virman Vundabar]

^True, I don't think it's a good idea to always have just old guys vs young guys, I think a balance is the best way, old vs old (in this case Sting vs Angle or as suggested Sting vs Foley) with an under card of for example Beer Money vs 3D and something like Lethal vs Shelley cover 3 scenarios of old vs old, old vs young and young vs young providing variety what a variety show needs and also a wide range of options that would draw a broader ppv audience.

TNA need to learn how do do this effectively without doing what they have which is shut out young guys through beatings on the show and losing most of the time whilst showing little credibility, where they always look inferior or even as simple as having them off ppv's til the last minute then give a bunch of them a random accomplish nothing matches which displays their unimportance compared to the older and established guys.

I've only been back watching wrestling for a month and a half after a long lapse. But I have been trying to catch up by looking at TNA's youtube clips and it does seem like the faces loose a lot. But I cant really judge since I am still catching up.

[Gary]

^Very few times have the FL actually got the upper hand, off the top of my head I can't think of all that many times they have, I said it since this angle started, they flopped in making them credible before the feud fully kicked off and have done very little to make them credible since, if anything the only people the current booking is favouring in the entire company is the MEM.

[nadl]

beside that the frontline represents the wrong ppl atm (team 3d instead of aj & joey) i really really hate tna's current direction in case of the knockouts.

i mean come on, sojo bolt a title shot? what the hell is wrong with them?? fans dont like her at all (atleast how i followed this thing) she is not a good wrestler, she has nothing and now she gets a title shot?
that's just plain stupid!

i really hope they do smth in the near future. the roxxi/taylor vs beautiful ppl story could become really good but atm it is just not present.

[thorstone]

Did TNA change their announcing setup so the announcers now have their backs to the ring? When they go on the road they need to put the table up in the audience (keeping their backs to the ring like in old Nitro style) in the area of the primary camera on the right side (if you were coming down the ramp).

The image of the crowd between the announce table and the ring is something TNA can create to make their product different from the image the WWE has given us for ten years now.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^Actually, their annoucetable is back near the ramp facing the ring as we've seen whenever the wrestlers head towards the table. It's just when they're talking to us on camera that their backs are towards the audience...like how they used to do on RAW when their annoucebooth was way back near the ramp.

[thorstone]

I've come to realize, the roster is not the same as it was when I started watching TNA-- The Alpha Male is neither here nor there, Christian has gone back to the WWE, and the show revolves around Kurt Angle, Booker T, Sting, Nash, Steiner, and Team 3D. I like Angle but the rest look like anchors. How is it Brown and Cage leave and we get stuck with Abyss and Rhyno?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^It's not the same company period, they've done a huge makeover from the backstage creative team to the look & direction of the product since the days of The Alpha Male. Same faces, same name, same Impact Zone but a completely different company than it was 2-3 years ago.

[thorstone]

I'm arguing I don't even see the same faces onscreen anymore-- the undercard talent are disappearing but more importantly the main event guys are a totally different group than when I started watching (and the main event section of the company is crowded). The only things that have remained are the god awful announce team and AJ and Joe whom are the only hope left in the company (and whom I wouldn't be surprised to see leave TNA for WWE in the next few years, if TNA is even still around then).

TNA when it started looked like the place for young guys-- now it looks like a retirement home. The production may have improved, the graphics are definitely better, but the roster has decayed (in part due to teeeerible creative). Kurt Angle will surely be the next big investment to join Christian.

[House of Pop]

Everything in TNA makes me shake my head in disappointment. Its bad.

[Tnafan23]

tna might be bad. look at the wwe. they have people talking for the whole show. wwe has the same matches every week. wwe is boring and they went to PG

[4 Gold Scorpio]

That's no excuse. You TNA fans (just look at your screenname) need to realize something in that just because WWE books a product that "sucks" doesn't excuse TNA's mistakes & the booking of their angles/products. Same goes with the WWE marks as well. Eventhough Vince doesn't always say what he means half the time, this is the best statement I've heard him say when it comes to a wrestling company, "Put your effort into your product, not worry about the other guy."

EDIT: And if your going to bash WWE...at least get your facts right as you can pick one show (RAW, SD, ECW) they they've all had more inring time than TNA has in recent weeks to the "all they do is talk" crap is just that, crap as TNA is just as guilty (if not more) on that statement. And that whole "PG" excuse is crap concidering how WWE doesn't have every other word in a promo beeped on their show & doesn't have the "no male on female violence" rule. Don't be a blind mark & post something valuable to the conversation.

[flyingmongoose]

The once vibrant and exciting x division is now well and truely dead. The x division which used to showcase up to 2 dozen superstars is now home to a handfull of stars. why are they letting petey williams and jimmy rave go when the x division is on life support? Are the tna booking team retarded or something

[The Sexecutioner]

I wouldn't say it's dead, but it's nothing like it used to be. The question you should be asking is how can they make it innovative again, because I thought of that and could come up with nothing good, its hard to keep it as famous as it once was.

[AustralianGQ]

well the booking team needs to be shuffled around again....we need ppl who value the x division and make it important and focuss on how special it is....

im hoping the MEM vs frontline feud dies at lockdown and they push the x division, make the X title almost as important as the world title, they did this once. get more indy wreslters with the x division/high flying/technical style of wrestling....

there is no need to hire someone just b/c they are huge in body mass, that doesnt help if they lack talent as a big guy. and im talking about ppl like brutus magnus, so far hes aight but not impressing me.

[thorstone]

I've felt very negative about TNA lately but I have to give them credit for doing exactly what I suggested doing with the announce team in bringing in another announcer (Foley) during the second hour.

Edit: And Steiner busts him open with a pipe two minutes after I post.

[dominiccxdaniels]

If tonight's Impact is an indication of whats to come with the direction of the company, then I'm frustrated and close to done.

[Overkill]

I've always HATED this MEM mafia storyline. When I say I hate it. It's not in the their the bad guys & I hate them way. It's in the these guys suck & their horrible to watch way. This storyline has taken every young talented wrestler in this company & buried them. It's really frustrating to see.

I hate TNA's reliance on old workers, who can't work anymore & the fact it comes at the expense of the younger, more talented wrestlers that I would prefer to watch any day of the week. TNA has really failed guys like Samoa Joe, Daniels & AJ Styles, Abyss ,Homicide/Hernandez & the Machine Guns. When is someone in this company going to wake up & realize it before it's too late?

The last thing. I hate is the match making on impact. Can't any match on TV go for more than 10 minutes & be given real time? Can't any match be actually any good? Instead we get these meaningless matches that are like 5 minutes. Why not increase the workrate on TV?

[Van Terminator]

Sence TNA has been on Spike TV there has only been 2 wrestlers as world champ. Abyss and Samoa Joe are the only out of the roster that have been champ on tv. Abyss was NWA champ for not very long and Joe's title rain was great. AJ Styles should be next!

[4 Gold Scorpio]

I assume you mean non ex-WWE/WCW/ECW guys have been World Champion. For the mainstream direction TNA is trying to go right now, they need their top guys & World Champions to be recognizable household names which anyone who isn't an indy junkie (like most of the causal wrestling fans) doesn't know who A.J. Styles unlike guys like Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, Sting, and to a lesser extent Jeff Jarrett & Christian who have main evented some of the biggest shows in wrestling history (WrestleMania, Starrcade, ect.) and drawn a high amount of money for the bigger promotions (WWE/WCW).

Now I could go into how TNA can create their own stars & elevate them but that's been talked to death for the longest time & more heavily ever since this Main Event Mafia angle.

BTW: Merged with the "what I like/dislike about their direction" thread.

[RKO]

The whole MEM storyline and all the promos and stupid skits is the problem I have with TNA's directions.

[AustralianGQ]

on a sidenot....TNA needs to make the womans division more serious and focuss more on wrestling. angelina loves character needs to be more serious, let her go out into the ring and wrestle her best.

[Gary]

I dunno if this is correct but I read that the Jethro vs Booker I Quit match from impact, which was ammusingly ended with "I'm done" and Tenay frantically tried to cover up saying that I'm done and I quit are the same thing :haha: was actually the first in TNA's history. Now I don't think this feud has been built to an I Quit match type, but anywho, they wasted the first ever (if it's true they haven't had one) on a demonstration match when they could have had a big ppv title match be built as the first ever one...just stupid, surely they could have done the JBL/Cena/Scotty way and got the point across without having an actual I Quit match.

Another annoying situation similar is the stretcher match (their format is crap by the way, count while there on it...pfft) you don't need to have a stretcher match to put someone on a stretcher, a simple singles match leading to injury could have been done but instead they use 3 stretcher matches in 3 weeks in squash like fashion when they weren't needed.

Speaking of not needed, distraction for low blow in stretcher match and distraction for chair shot in I quit match...

[Self_High_Five]

1. They have still yet to build 1 homegrown household name star of their own. Outside of die hard wrestling fans nobody knows who AJ Styles is.

2. Half their roster is filled with guys who WWE released cause they couldn't draw anymore or who just wasn''t very good to begin with. If guys that were no longer relevant (Nash,Steiner,Booker,) or guys that were never good to begin with (Lashley,Rhyno,Kip James) couldn't draw on the company everybody watches what makes TNA think people are gonna tune in to a company nobody even knows exsists to watch abuncha nobodies that they didn't like in WWE.

3. Retarded ass booking. TNA you can't have new gimmick matches every Impact or PPV that your viewers have no idea what's going on. And you can't make a ladder or cage match out to be a big deal for a PPV and then have one 4 days before the fuckin PPV.

4. Horrible storylines. We have seen evolution already. We have seen NWO. Stop copying past ideas TNA. Nobody except morons that can't get out of 1998 care about MEM. Move on with the times.

Feel free to add to the list.

[404]

1. They have still yet to build 1 homegrown household name star of their own. Outside of die hard wrestling fans nobody knows who AJ Styles is.

2. Half their roster is filled with guys who WWE released cause they couldn't draw anymore or who just wasn''t very good to begin with. If guys that were no longer relevant (Nash,Steiner,Booker,) or guys that were never good to begin with (Lashley,Rhyno,Kip James) couldn't draw on the company everybody watches what makes TNA think people are gonna tune in to a company nobody even knows exsists to watch abuncha nobodies that they didn't like in WWE.

3. Retarded ass booking. TNA you can't have new gimmick matches every Impact or PPV that your viewers have no idea what's going on. And you can't make a ladder or cage match out to be a big deal for a PPV and then have one 4 days before the fuckin PPV.

4. Horrible storylines. We have seen evolution already. We have seen NWO. Stop copying past ideas TNA. Nobody except morons that can't get out of 1998 care about MEM. Move on with the times.

Feel free to add to the list.

You know what my problem is with some of your posts; You clearly don't think before making them.

1. AJ styles, Daniels, The entire tag team division except for 3D and BookerT/Steiner, The entire Knockouts division except for Tara....Want me to keep going?

2. Last I remember, Booker was going to feud with HHH. He quit because of the wellness policy voilation and because he wanted greater creative power over his character. If he was still in WWE, he would be up there with the rest of the upper tier.

3. While you are right; WWE has retarded guest hosts that hog the majority of the show lately. Not to mention they have literally run the same main event on Raw three weeks in a row.

4. See number 3. WWE has rehashed DX more times than people care. They have had the same exact feuds for nearly 10 years. Not to mention all of the upper tier have stayed there battling for the title since at least 2006. Out of those 7-8 upper tier guys, most of them have been in constant long term rotation in the main event for at least 10 years now.

You also fail to mention how many guys WWE has picked up from TNA's "endeavor'd" list. You immediately begin to see there is a curve going on here as well.

The only thing holding TNA back at this point is the constant power struggles by greedy guys backstage and the total lack of mainstream exposure.

[foleyfan26]

1. They have still yet to build 1 homegrown household name star of their own. Outside of die hard wrestling fans nobody knows who AJ Styles is.


Thats because TNA isn't a big company yet and doesn't have 4-5m people watching the show every week. For a guy to become a star people need to watch you week after week. There's a reason why most of the non diehard fans didn't know many of the ECW wrestlers until they came to WCW or WWE either. Plus it takes time to develope stars and make them well known. One intresting fact is other then CM Punk(who made a name for himself in ROH), WWE hasn't really created a new star who wasn't already under WWE contract when TNA started. Because guys like Cena, Orton, Batista were either in Ohio or just starting to show up on tv back then. So that goes to show you it's not really easy. Plus WWE has 6 hours of tv time each week to give tv time to new talent. TNA just needs to worry about putting on the best show possible with the most ready talent. They can't just put a guy on tv and make him the top star unless he's connecting to the fans alot before he gets that push.



2. Half their roster is filled with guys who WWE released cause they couldn't draw anymore or who just wasn''t very good to begin with. If guys that were no longer relevant (Nash,Steiner,Booker,) or guys that were never good to begin with (Lashley,Rhyno,Kip James) couldn't draw on the company everybody watches what makes TNA think people are gonna tune in to a company nobody even knows exsists to watch abuncha nobodies that they didn't like in WWE

Hmm... that doesn't really make much sense. First of all WWE was trying to bring in Nash last September because they wanted him to team with Shawn Michaels. But he decided to stay with TNA, and WWE has been trying to sign Sting for years. Booker T wrestled HHH at Summerslam only a few months before his released. Do you really think that HHH would wrestle someone on a big Summerslam PPV that couldn't draw anymore? He asked for his release because he didn't like that WWE suspended him for drugs and a few other things. Maybe you have a point about Scott Steiner, but I don't see were he gets a ton of tv time or wrestling big matches. Yes he won the tag belts but if you count the PPVs hes been on the last 7 or 8 months there won't be that many. Then you got Mick Foley who left on his own after being upset with Vince. Rhino, Kip James are basically jobbers these days and there's nothing wrong with having them around since people know who they're and they can put over talent. Then Lashley is another guy who asked for his release after being upset with some stuff that went on there. WWE pushed him like crazy and thought he had a bright future. So they didn't just release him because he couldn't draw.



3. Retarded ass booking. TNA you can't have new gimmick matches every Impact or PPV that your viewers have no idea what's going on. And you can't make a ladder or cage match out to be a big deal for a PPV and then have one 4 days before the fuckin PPV.

Ehh. WWE does the same stuff. Didn't HHH/Orton have a Last Man Standing match on Raw six days before the PPV and then wrestle three stages of hell match on the PPV. Everything that TNA gets bashed WWE does it and probably worse. Just there's alot more fans of WWE so they won't bash the show they love, but if they kinda only like TNA they will bash them for doing stuff. Too be honest most WWE marks are huge hypocites. If TNA ever did some of the junk you see on Raw these days all you would hear is this show sucks so bad. But you go to the WWE board and at least half of the fans are defending it. I watch Raw and TNA every week and I'm a fan of both shows. So I often compare them and honestly Impact is the better overall show right now. The only thing Raw is much better with, is they have longer tv matches. Since their commericals aren't as long and they have that extra 10 minutes to go past 10 oclock. So they have a extra 12-15 minutes to use towards matches, and still have alot of good promos and interviews.



4. Horrible storylines. We have seen evolution already. We have seen NWO. Stop copying past ideas TNA. Nobody except morons that can't get out of 1998 care about MEM. Move on with the times.

In the wrestling business you recycle storylines and feuds all the time. How simliar was Four Horseman to Evolution? The NWO worked and big heel factions work. So there's nothing wrong with the MEM honestly. Sure you can be upset with how the storyline worked out so far. But If HHH, Batista, HBK, Orton and Flair started a heel faction most WWE fans would love it. So whats the difference between that and the MEM? It's basically all guys who are 40 plus besides one younger wrestler. Sounds like a pretty big double standard to me.

[TheSurge]

1. They have still yet to build 1 homegrown household name star of their own. Outside of die hard wrestling fans nobody knows who AJ Styles is.

2. Half their roster is filled with guys who WWE released cause they couldn't draw anymore or who just wasn''t very good to begin with. If guys that were no longer relevant (Nash,Steiner,Booker,) or guys that were never good to begin with (Lashley,Rhyno,Kip James) couldn't draw on the company everybody watches what makes TNA think people are gonna tune in to a company nobody even knows exsists to watch abuncha nobodies that they didn't like in WWE.

3. Retarded ass booking. TNA you can't have new gimmick matches every Impact or PPV that your viewers have no idea what's going on. And you can't make a ladder or cage match out to be a big deal for a PPV and then have one 4 days before the fuckin PPV.

4. Horrible storylines. We have seen evolution already. We have seen NWO. Stop copying past ideas TNA. Nobody except morons that can't get out of 1998 care about MEM. Move on with the times.

Feel free to add to the list.

I'm gonna ignore all who are defending tna because they are blind tna marks. and i'm gonna add more to your list..

5. Don West. This guy is such a fat loser. he sucks so bad. he makes Michael cole seem like the shit. and don west is SHIT. he needs to get fired fast. replace his fat annoying ass with Tazz or JBL cause i heard his yet another WWE Reject that might be coming to TNA. lol typical TNA, they have huge booners for Ex WWE Talent. hahahahaha. but yeah Don west sucks. get rid of him. he sucks as a heel and he has always sucks. he makes MY EARS BLEED. down with don west!!!!

Feel free to add to the list.

i can go on but i wanna give someone else a chance to destroy tna and their chances of ever competing with WWE. :)

[PhenomAJJones]

I'm gonna ignore all who are defending tna because they are blind tna marks. and i'm gonna add more to your list..

5. Don West. This guy is such a fat loser. he sucks so bad. he makes Michael cole seem like the shit. and don west is SHIT. he needs to get fired fast. replace his fat annoying ass with Tazz or JBL cause i heard his yet another WWE Reject that might be coming to TNA. lol typical TNA, they have huge booners for Ex WWE Talent. hahahahaha. but yeah Don west sucks. get rid of him. he sucks as a heel and he has always sucks. he makes MY EARS BLEED. down with don west!!!!

Feel free to add to the list.

i can go on but i wanna give someone else a chance to destroy tna and their chances of ever competing with WWE. :)

Typical Typical WWE fan, always trying to say why WWE so great but obviously don't pay attention to their own product. Is it me or lame WWE marks can't think of anything to do than bash TNA?

[Self_High_Five]

"But you go to the WWE board and at least half of the fans are defending it. I watch Raw and TNA every week and I'm a fan of both shows"

I do bash WWE when they do stupid things. The difference with WWE and TNA tho is WWE does just as many things right as they do wrong. TNA just does everything wrong.

Also instead of RAW try watching Smackdown. SD is hands down better than any other weekly wrestling program combined right now.

[PhenomAJJones]

Here is the problem. Lot of people come on these boards and throw their opinion around like its the law and if someone likes something they tell them their wrong or shouldn't like it.

ME i know what i like and i'm not gonna let anyone tell me what i like is wrong cause its my choice. Some people are fans of the Main Event Mafia and they are happy that the Mafia won i know people that want the Mafia to win and i also know people who want the originals to win.

So you can't say no one is a fan of the Mafia, my brother is 32 and he likes Angle, Booker, Nash, Scott, and Joe. People like different things and what u may not like someone else may like, NO company is ever gonna please anyone all the time.

[Markamania]

Your post makes no sense i think you need to look your facts up before you bash it.

I don't watch WWE anymore because it has lost it's appeal to me. TNA has young talent that they use. You fail to see that if you watched TNA you would know this. Look at the show and watch the young guys. They are getting over.

Tired of your wwe-lite argument because it's non existent. everyone comes and goes from different places. Get over that and move on.

This is all getting very redundant really I don't why you keep posting this stuff your not winning the argument nor advancing it. get some real argument and instances of bad creative.

[Tommyspud]

STOP BASHING THE DAMN COMPANY IN 3/4ths of your POSTS!

Seriously, it's getting tiring.

1. People know Styles in the casual audience, idiot.

2. Booker is relevant, Nash is relevant, especially on the mic, Steiner is also relevant on the mic, and actually is decent in-ring. Lashley's good at wrestling, and I always thought Rhino was decent at both ring and mic work(When he MEANS it)... Isn't Kip James FIRED?

3. Sure there has been some stupid booking, but I did like the actual end result of VR, it means a big rub is coming. Young Talent get all the taken belts at BFG, maybe.

4. These promotion-wide storylines are good for any organization, it gets a lot of people involved, and pushes a lot.

5. At least it isn't Mongo.

[foleyfan26]

I do bash WWE when they do stupid things. The difference with WWE and TNA tho is WWE does just as many things right as they do wrong. TNA just does everything wrong.

What did WWE do right on Raw the last few shows? It was far from even. Yes Smackdown has gotten better lately but it wasn't too long ago when that show had Vladimir Koslov and Great Khalil as top guys on that show(mixed with nonstop HHH). Also If you think TNA does everything wrong then please do us all a favor and stop watching it. I will never understand why people waste their time complaining about something they don't like and think the company does everything wrong. Whats the point? I know that I don't go bitch about Raw when it sucks. Or when the same veterans are feuding over the title month after month. Or about Vickie Guerrero/Santina hog pen matches, Nuggets vs Lakers crap, Donald Trump/Vince feuds or Hornswoggle/Chavo crap, stupid backstage comedy skits and guest hosts that have nothing to do with wrestling. Not to mention a crappy Womans and Tag division and no lightweight division(or X-Division). And thats just to name a few recent things. If TNA ever did half that crap on Impact I can understand these threads. But since some veterans have big roles on that show, won some titles, and do stupid stuff here and there then TNA sucks and will never compete with the WWE. If you wanna know the real reason why TNA isn't competting with the WWE right now. Well it's lack of advertising and because they're not on a very popular cable network(in which their the highest rated show on). TNA doesn't have alot of exposure and alot of people don't know about them still. For example when WCW decided to battle WWE, they had the money to advertise and were on a even more popular cable network.



Right now TNA doesn't have the money to advertise the shows and don't have the power to get on a bigger network. So it's gonna take time to get to that level. Unless they find some powerful billionaire who has his own tv network decides to buy them. But if you put Impact say on TNT and advertise them alot their competting with WWE. The talent and quality of the show is simliar to WWE programming right now they just need the exposure. I know you will say I'm just a TNA mark, but thats not really true. I only been a full-time TNA watcher since last fall and been a WWE fan for over 11 years. Yes WWE has better overall talent, and better wrestling among their main eventers. But thats because they get first dips on talent(young and old), have a developmental league, more air-time and TNA has to get the veterans or younger guys WWE didn't want or value as super important anymore. That doesn't mean it's still not good talent or still a big asset to the show. Yes TNA is far from perfect, I would like better storylines, longer tv matches and a few other things. But WWE is just as bad if not worse and lack a ton of creativity. Thats why we see the same wrestlers having match after match with eachother, almost no storylines and world title changes almost every six weeks. So i'm just being fair and giving my honest opinion.

[ILWyep]

"he difference with WWE and TNA tho is WWE does just as many things right as they do wrong. TNA just does everything wrong."

Heres your problem. "Wrong" means that YOU didnt like it. Get it? Switch the channel.


"i can go on but i wanna give someone else a chance to destroy tna and their chances of ever competing with WWE."

I am sorry to say that but I dont think that TNA gives a f.ck about obvious WWE sheeps and most importantly about their forum posts.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Merged with the "dislike TNA's direction" thread. And you really need to calm down on the constant insults & bashing SHF, everyone's entitled to their opinion but yours are starting to become just spam.

[Vanno]

There, hire big name WWE rejects and have them join the TNA equivalent of the NWO, model hasn't paid off. Argue all you want about this practice, but the ratings don't lie. There could be far better indy talent recruited, for much cheaper, and they would probably pull similar ratings, and put that saved cash into better promotions, a better booking and creative staff, etc, etc.

[Gary]

Some might say it's not a major thing but I think it says a lot, Taz has been in TNA for a few days and he has a shirt already but the Frontline/originals had to wait months before they had one, so much so that by the time they got a shirt the group was already almost over...Lashley has one too which again could be seen as "WWE favouritism" but I think that a non wrestler who isn't going to be doing all that much (at least on screen) getting merch much much quicker than the homegrown guys they are surely wanting to get behind says a lot.

[404]

^^ I'm not sure if you noticed, The frontline doesn't exist. They literally only existed for 2-3 months at the most.

[Vanno]

Some might say it's not a major thing but I think it says a lot, Taz has been in TNA for a few days and he has a shirt already but the Frontline/originals had to wait months before they had one, so much so that by the time they got a shirt the group was already almost over...Lashley has one too which again could be seen as "WWE favouritism" but I think that a non wrestler who isn't going to be doing all that much (at least on screen) getting merch much much quicker than the homegrown guys they are surely wanting to get behind says a lot.

Hell, his appearance marked the biggest obstacle to MEM dominance (or some approximation), if you listen to Tenay.


^^ I'm not sure if you noticed, The frontline doesn't exist. They literally only existed for 2-3 months at the most.

Exactly. There is no such thing, which is a big issue. There is, essentially, no resistance to the MEM, which cheapens everything.

[Gary]

Re-read my post, my point has nothing to do with the frontline still existing or not, I'm saying it goes to show the direction of TNA as that old WCW/WWE/ECW guys will have total priority (even when they aren't active wrestlers) over "originals" when it comes to important stuff like merch, I'm not saying don't capitalise on their names for revenue, doing that is smart, but if your guys are meant to gain the audiences backing, a shirt or something will show that trust of the company that it will make money and in return show that they have the backing of the crowd, but instead they are looked upon as inferior not only in how they are booked but how they are backed by the promotion.

[404]

Re-read my post, my point has nothing to do with the frontline still existing or not, I'm saying it goes to show the direction of TNA as that old WCW/WWE/ECW guys will have total priority (even when they aren't active wrestlers) over "originals" when it comes to important stuff like merch, I'm not saying don't capitalise on their names for revenue, doing that is smart, but if your guys are meant to gain the audiences backing, a shirt or something will show that trust of the company that it will make money and in return show that they have the backing of the crowd, but instead they are looked upon as inferior not only in how they are booked but how they are backed by the promotion.

I re-read your post. Your point was that the frontline did not get the priority in merchandise that others got. My point was, they don't even exist and for all we know, there was never plans to keep them going for very long.

[Gary]

I'm talking past tense, at the time they formed the company should have got behind them in the merch department but as I said by the time the shirt came out the faction was already crumbling, but Taz gets merchandise backing straight away, the company is clearly showing/clearly showed they have/had no faith in the originals (or frontline at the time) yet they put the machine (so to speak) behind Taz (or any other WWE/WCW/ECW guy) and to me it shows the direction of the company.

[404]

I'm talking past tense, at the time they formed the company should have got behind them in the merch department but as I said by the time the shirt came out the faction was already crumbling, but Taz gets merchandise backing straight away, the company is clearly showing/clearly showed they have/had no faith in the originals (or frontline at the time) yet they put the machine (so to speak) behind Taz (or any other WWE/WCW/ECW guy) and to me it shows the direction of the company.


I don't think you understand what i wrote here.





For all we know, they never had any plans to elevate the front line past the few matches they had together. Why would they make frontline material for them if they simply never had any long term plans for them.

[Gary]

Well I would think (or more so hope) that plans for a non wrestler Taz weren't as high priority/more thought out than the plans for the "future stars", but with TNA you never know. And to answer the question why make it, erm to make money & to let the crowd express their support of these young (and some old) guys.

Whether they knew/thought it was short term, it's clear the direction of TNA is still to put their "machine" behind the already established names and not just that, it shows in the favourable booking (for MEM) too.

And for a company who so many times have said it's about young/new talent being given a chance, that's the wrong direction.

[KoMC]

wasnt FTW Taz own brand anyway... so technically TNA is just selling Taz's own merchendice and getting a slice of the profits from it?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^FTW wasn't a "brand" or nickname but a motto that Taz's character lived by in ECW. But to answer your question, it wasn't something TNA came up with themselves but it's setup like how their other normal merchandise is.

[KoMC]

ah thanks, i assumed since Taz used it back in the day he made it his own throughout the years... thanks for clearing that up for me.

[TheSurge]

TNA is looking real bad these days... i can see them going out of business like WCW.. then WWE will release a DVD on the rise and fall of TNA.. lol..... they did that with WCW, ECW, ect........ even made the self destruction of Ultimate Warrior...

[KoMC]

If you looked at the recent spoilers, they actually look really good. I think TNA was on the fall but is getting better again so it will be good to see where TNA will go from here

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[The_Mike]

Ok, so I just started watching Impact this week, my first time in three months (I was away). And I see Joe is the X-Champion, dealing with Suicide and Daniels.

What. The. Hell?

How, over the space of the past few months, did Joe end up taking a step back of about three years?

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^Well this really belongs in the Quick Question thread but I'll answer it here since you said 3 months so I'll assume that you haven't been watching since May. Kurt Angle had Samoa Joe join the Main Event Mafia behind Sting's back & he ended up replacing Sting in the group with the reasoning that they used Jenna's money to pay him off to join the group since the Mafia knew he was their biggest threat. The next goal of the M.E.M. was total domination of TNA by winning all of their championships and the only guy in the group who qualified to go after the X Division Championship was Samoa Joe and he won the title. With TNA heavily overloaded with name brand heavyweight guys & limited on name brand guys in the X Division, it's a case of Joe being a bigger fish in a small pond at the moment...same with Daniels who's been jumping between the X & heavyweight division since he returned as well.

[The_Mike]

I figured I should ask here since it's not just a quick question, but a platform for me to do some ranting about the direction of TNA. Thanks for the info.

It's very frustrating to see this, and to come back after three months to see that my favourite main eventers in TNA appear to have taken a huge step back. MEM deciding to dominate TNA is nothing new, they did that already, they've been doing it for like a year. Daniels and Joe bouncing around the X-Division is disgustingly backward by this point, regardless of how thin on the ground credible midcarders are (whose fault is that anyway?) and how top heavy the main event is (again, who did that?). Why could we not have shaken things up a tad by having someone like Angle going down a step and Joe taking the reins up top? Instead TNA do the WWE trick of maintaining the status quo at all costs.

Just finished watching this week's Impact now, and I'm thoroughly unimpressed. The only area that seems to have actually developed while I was away has been the Knockouts, and they've come along admirably, aside from Cody going for the title. Ugh.

[Brandonkin]

This week along, is a what the problem with TNA is. WWE signs Hoyt, a young athletic star, whose moves look painful. THen you have Brian Danielson who the WWE has signed. You got all these young guys comming in who are waiting for their shot at the big times. Hell, even nigel was on his way until he failed the testing.

Then there's TNA. Jim Neidhart, who is only something when Bret is around, Raven who is a shell of his former self, Hogan and Bishoff, Flair, who should be waiting for social security to kick in. The've ruin Joe. Daniels is the TNA version of Rey mysterio getting beat more as champion than he did when he was a challenger. They have Sting who apparently does ot want to be champion anymore as he just gave Daniels the champioonship. Kurt Angle who is the new HHH of TNA, accept, not as big of a draw as HHH.

People don't want to see Hogan/Flair again, just like we are tired of Orton/Cena. WWE is starting to push new stars as Kofi, Morrison, Miz, Swagger, Kool aid team, Diabse and Rhodes and ECW is just new completely.

It time to make new stars. Not recyle the 80's and 90's. This is what killed WCW and made WWE thrive.

[headhunter]

look i am tired of commenting bad always and few good on TNA. TNA should just fold up and be sold 2 ROH because the creative and many wrongs in TNA is too much ever since 2006.

[Mark Bradford (U.K)]

This week along, is a what the problem with TNA is. WWE signs Hoyt, a young athletic star, whose moves look painful. THen you have Brian Danielson who the WWE has signed. You got all these young guys comming in What all 2 of them??????? who are waiting for their shot at the big times. Hell, even nigel was on his way until he failed the testingNow been given an awesome push in TNA.

Then there's TNA. Jim Neidhart, who is only something when Bret is around, Raven who is a shell of his former selfDid you not see him in june in TNA when he was awesome, Hoganhuge name credicility and Bishofferm....he's not a wrestler?, FlairNot even been brought in?, who should be waiting for social security to kick in. The've ruin JoeNo they haven't he's back in main eventing ppv's!. Daniels is the TNA version of Rey mysterio getting beat more as champion than he did when he was a challengerNo he isnt he's back in the main event and is a very credible main eventer. They have Sting who apparently does ot want to be champion anymore as he just gave Daniels the champioonshipGet your facts right jeez....... Kurt Angle who is the new HHH of TNA, accept, not as big of a draw as HHH How did you work the bizzare explanation out?.

People don't want to see Hogan/Flair againyes we arent seeing that agin, as one of the guys you mentioned isnt even in the company!, just like we are tired of Orton/Cena. WWE is starting to push new stars as Kofi, Morrison, Miz, Swagger, Kool aid team, Diabse and Rhodesits about bloody time and ECW is just new completelyI somehow doubt that is.

It time to make new stars. Not recyle the 80's and 90's. This is what killed WCW and made WWE thrive.

This thread is full of mistakes and biased opinions it's just embarrasing to be honest. I'm tired of all the random TNA haters who can't seem to string a sentence of fact together

[roulette]

^Thank you. This thread and the first person who commented it are...let's just say extremely opinionated and believe they're the only ones that are right.

[Mr.Brownstone]

Still TNA are ways down the ladder from WWE. Not trying to hate because it isn't that bad. They just aren't there yet. And I hope they aren't pushing for a new Monday Night Wars because they are nowhere close to what WCW was in 98/99 and even 97. WWE can be that again, they have what it takes. Hell Dwayne Johnson is only 37 or 38, he is still good for 5 years if they really needed him. Point being is that TNA just needs to keep working and not worry about their competition.