Official "What I Dislike About WWE's Direction" Thread

[FKLegend]

What in the Hell is going on? Every time I look at the Latest News Forum, all I see is bad news. Scotty, 2 Cold Scorpio, Ariel, and James have all been fired. And Rob Conway, man I remember back when he was actually getting a descent push and I actually liked him. Stephanie is just firing people left and right, Vince trying to create at least one future world champion in Bobby Lashley, all three shows lack of superstars, I mean its like someone, anyone should go in there and just do something about it. Including creatively, the WWE are going down . Soon Triple H will be back, and when that happens, he's gonna be champion for 10 years, and the WWE will continue to lose revenue, support, and all together make some crappy shows. Someone has to help them creatively and try and create a few more main eventers.

[X3M]

Everyone know stepha is a bitch.

[Crimson Thunder]

What in the Hell is going on? Every time I look at the Latest News Forum, all I see is bad news. Scotty, 2 Cold Scorpio, Ariel, and James have all been fired. And Rob Conway, man I remember back when he was actually getting a descent push and I actually liked him. Stephanie is just firing people left and right, Vince trying to create at least one future world champion in Bobby Lashley, all three shows lack of superstars, I mean its like someone, anyone should go in there and just do something about it. Including creatively, the WWE are going down . Soon Triple H will be back, and when that happens, he's gonna be champion for 10 years, and the WWE will continue to lose revenue, support, and all together make some crappy shows. Someone has to help them creatively and try and create a few more main eventers.

Scotty 2 Hotty hasn't been doing anything but jobbing for a long time now, 2 Cold hasn't even been on WWE tv, Rob Conway was supposed to get a push but he wasn't over enough. It was obvious that these 3 were going to get fired sooner or later. Ariel surprises me though. I don't see why she got fired so sudden.

[Noodle]

What're you, dumb? Who the hell cares about these losers. You know why they were fired? Because they suck. WWE isn't going to lose ANY money because these people were fired, and by the fact that WWE had a buyrate of 1.2 million for wrestlemania and NONE of these people were on it, is a testimate to that.

This thread is just an excuse to make a ridiculous hyperbolic statement and have people shoot it down.

[Cast No Shadow]

Yeah, I agree these firings aren't that shocking. Ariel surprised me because she appeared to be a big part of Kevin Thorn's current character. I don't think these releases are anything to worry about.

[iMatt]

What're you, dumb? Who the hell cares about these losers. You know why they were fired? Because they suck. WWE isn't going to lose ANY money because these people were fired, and by the fact that WWE had a buyrate of 1.2 million for wrestlemania and NONE of these people were on it, is a testimate to that.

This thread is just an excuse to make a ridiculous hyperbolic statement and have people shoot it down.

Suck? It's scripted Scotty 2 Hotty still got crowd reactions Ariel had more signs in the crowd for her than CM Punk at one point you don't know what your talkinga bout WWE needs good talent or atl east these guys as casual jobbers.

[Vance685]

Scotty is the only shock for me...a Veteran for WWE and is still mildly over with the crowd. he didn't deserve to be fired..

[ballplayer 2]

The only one that really surprised me was Ariel. As has been said she seemed to be legitimate part of Kevin Thorn's character, plus she had her tarot card column on WWE.com. Seems a bit sudden.

The others really dont surprise me Conway has been buried for some time, Scotty too hotty still has some crowd support but would probably never feature prominently on a TV storyline. 2 cold scorpio has not been on WWE tv during his current run.

Overall these are releases the casual fan will hardly even notice, they save the company money. But Ariel's releases without a TV right off is a bit surprising.

I also saw that Angel Williams has been releases from the WWE developmental territories. Antoher surprise, since she had just been brought over from the now defunct DSW and had a match aganst Krissy Vaine (I think? ).

[AndyEmm™]

..

Ariel is the only surprising one from that list simple as. WWE isn't going to lose anything from these releases, and they aren't exactly major.

There were also a lot of releases before so its not just like this is new because Steph got promoted. And for the person who called Steph a bitch, then to keep it as polite as possible, "Fuck you!" :) You don't know her personally, so I don't see why you should be labelling her as anything.

[darkwolf]

Remember what The Rock's agent said ? That after the summer the WWE would be very different ? But does this mean that the rest he said will be true ? That the Great One will be back ?

[the original dave]

none of those guys were doing anything so why waste money on 4 jobbers that weren't over.

and everybody knows steph is a bitch and has no idea what she's doing when it comes to pushing and recruiting people.

[AdsMan]

I just wish they would fire people who actually 110% deserve it like Kali & Snitsky etc etc.

[KANESHOW]

No one deserves to be fired but sometimes it just happens. Truthfully none of them really were doing anything and Ariel was the only one that had anything going on and she really wasn't doing anything ether. I will say I will miss looking at her :D

[jimmydestiny]

Average wrestlers who were lucky to have a job in the WWE in the 1st place. Most of them were going through the mostions for a long time now. A good BUSINESS decision

[Evlar99]

Ok, now WWE is now offically in SERIOUS trouble with there talent... with all the injurys that are happening on Raw and Smackdown! i think they have to sign RVD and give him his time off... at first i thought wwe will do fine without him let him get on his way to tna big deal, but now with wwe and everyone getting hurts its not looking good at all...they gotta make a big splash somehow... maybe signing Jericho and RVD and possibly X-Pac or something or bring The Rock back or i dunno but they really have to step up there game and lets see how good there talent is, anyone agree with anything i said? lol

[Road Rage]

The Great One is done with wrestling, get it through your thick skulls and into your tiny brains!

On injuries, this could be a blessing in disguise as WWE will be forced to push guys like Carlito, Orton, Masters, Bennjamin, Punk, Burk, and they will have to go lax on having house shows which will give wrestlers more rest.

[jtpickens]

So if they are hurting then why are they firing people left and right? RVD should leave for the way they've been screwing him for the past year screw them the WWE gets what it deserves.

[FKLegend]

Dude, it starts like this. Soon enough, she is just gonna move onto bigger names she doesn't like. Everything starts in one way or another. Look at WCW, it was going great, but those slight problems, that really had no meaning started to get bigger and bigger. Right now, WWE has to many injurys. What if Cena and Edge, who has been injured before, get hurt, what then?

[darkwolf]

The Great One is done with wrestling, get it through your thick skulls and into your tiny brains!

On injuries, this could be a blessing in disguise as WWE will be forced to push guys like Carlito, Orton, Masters, Bennjamin, Punk, Burk, and they will have to go lax on having house shows which will give wrestlers more rest.

Vince will not give them any shots or push. The ones who are going to profit are : Khali, Lahley, Umaga, Snitsky. Because Vince likes big roided idiots intead of highly talented stars.

[Road Rage]

Crowd reactions can change anything. It was crowd reactions that made Edge a three time champ instead of Cena as a 3 year constant, uninterupted champion.

[Reinheimer]

Well, they have a lot of talent, and it's not like they're fireing main eventers, so I see no real problem.

[ToperDragon1981]

wwe is the new wCw. A wrestling corporation that doesn't do wrestling. I used to love the old WWF, not WWF, but when they were the WWF, but now, if I want to see wrestling, I switch to TNA. WWE is no longer about wrestling, it's about being a soap.

[~Steve~]

I agree, at the moment wwe has been plagued with injuries. Hopefully this will give them a chance to push the mid card and tag divions more. Believ me though, when all the stars return, it'll be immense.

[The Monster Abyss]

Vince will not give them any shots or push. The ones who are going to profit are : Khali, Lahley, Umaga, Snitsky. Because Vince likes big roided idiots intead of highly talented stars.

So I guess guys like Angle, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, RVD, HBK, Hart have never made it big then? Please leave out the mindless Vince bashing.

I don't see a real problem. yeah there has been a few injuries and these will take their toll but I wouldn't say the company is in real trouble. There are more than enough main event stars to keep the product of a high standard at the moment. On Smackdown you have the champ, and jewell in the crown, Edge, and there are many opportunities for title feuds, such as the upcoming Batista match, Mark Henry, Kennedy when he returns, even Matt Hardy. On Raw there is still Orton, HBK, HHH back soon, Cena.

I agree that some people should perhaps have been pushed by now, to at least be somewhere near a credible main eventer (Nitro in particular). However, WWE could not have really anticipated an injury crisis like this. I still think they'll do fine though.

[KANESHOW]

Why is the WWE in trouble? I don't think there in any trouble at all so what some wrestlers are injured theres always injured wrestlers. Also the people they have released really weren't doing anything anyway.

[KANESHOW]

People are getting ah little crazy the WWE is going to be just fine like it always has been.

[j-man]

I dont see a problem with people getting injured. All they need to do is push some mid-carders. Like Carlito and Punk. They need to put those guys in the main event not guys like khali and umaga.

[WwW_bMxer]

yeah i think wwe will do fine if they push the rokies up to star staus then it would be good if they can not then wwe will be no treat to tna anymore and the ones released they wernt doing anything so why worry.

[AndyEmm™]

I don't sense the WWE in any real major trouble right now. As people have already been saying, there is still a lot of top talent out there in all brands. And having Edge as champion on SmackDown! still brings new and interesting feuds to come, with the likes of Kennedy and Mysterio.

The only really critical thing to date right now could be the fact that WWE is telling the fans what they want other than listening to them.

But otherwise, I'd say everything is going ok right now and it won't be long till Rey, Triple H, Booker T and that are back from injury.

[gwar315]

Yea, I have to agree with the awesomeness that will happen when all the superstars get better and return. This will give guys like the undertaker some much needed rest as well as build up the returns for guys like HHH. It will all work out in the end like it always does whether a few guys are injured or not.

[just bring it]

Jeff Hardy should get pushed to the main event on raw, two of the most popular guys on raw Hardy vs Cena, that feud could carry raw untill HHH is back. And Benoit should get pushed on smackdown, Benoit vs Edge has great match written all over it and is another feud which could last a few months untill Booker and Kennedy are back.

[KANESHOW]

That Hardy Cena feud wouldn't be to bad. It's just to bad the WWE probably won't think of it.

[The Wrestling Pope]

normally i would say its not such a bad thing. injuries can have the hidden benefit of hagin to push guys who otherwise would not have ben, and seeing what they can do as far as getting over.

now im not going to mindlessly bash vince mcmahon, but its obvious this time that the gap is going to be made up with "monster" power. its inexplicable to me actually, I can never remember a time in wwe when no less than 6 one dimensional "monster" wrestlers are top contenders to the title.

people point to vince's love for big men, which is undeniable I mean he got over in the late 90's by feeding us a steady diet of no-talent big men......no wait a minute that was wcw, which is dead now.

that's why this current strategy of pushing huge stiffs makes little sense to me. any of the 97.5% of viewers vince claims know wrestling is scripted are left with no sense of suspense as to the ultimate outcome of storylines. we have no good taling, no good westling and after all these years were just supposed to marvel at someone because theyre tall of weigh 400 lbs.

so after that bit of a rant, yes this current situation is horrible for wwe, but even more than that for wwe fans...

[LevesqueIsKing]

Ok, now WWE is now offically in SERIOUS trouble with there talent... with all the injurys that are happening on Raw and Smackdown! i think they have to sign RVD and give him his time off... at first i thought wwe will do fine without him let him get on his way to tna big deal, but now with wwe and everyone getting hurts its not looking good at all...they gotta make a big splash somehow... maybe signing Jericho and RVD and possibly X-Pac or something or bring The Rock back or i dunno but they really have to step up there game and lets see how good there talent is, anyone agree with anything i said? lol

Or maybe Vince (and apparently you as well) could get his head out of his ass and look at the talent he's wasting. Idk about you guys, but I would buy a wrestlemania with Nitro, Benjamin, Carlito, Hardy, Hardy, Punk, Benoit, Kennedy, Cena, Batista, Orton, Kane, and Edge, just for the change in talent.

The multiple injuries are a blessing for wwe.

[Smackdown Mark]

Or maybe Vince (and apparently you as well) could get his head out of his ass and look at the talent he's wasting. Idk about you guys, but I would buy a wrestlemania with Nitro, Benjamin, Carlito, Hardy, Hardy, Punk, Benoit, Kennedy, Cena, Batista, Orton, Kane, and Edge, just for the change in talent.

The multiple injuries are a blessing for wwe.

It's not a blessing, its a lesson. They haven't been building there younger talent as much as they could be but instead they push the same old guys and when they get injured WWE has no one that can step up because they dont have the build. Kenny Dykstra went from WWE Championship title match to now being lucky to appear on RAW. He has talent and charisma. Shelton Benjamin may not have the best mic skills but if you give him a manager like his ''momma'' he can suffice in the main event appeal. Chris Masters is arguably the best big man on RAW he was given a good gimmick with the Master Lock but WWE tarnished it by having a fan break it. Now there giving him the cocky gimmick and they better push him to main event status instead of putting on and off a program with him and Super Crazy.

WWE now have to push there young talent as fast as they pushed Kennedy to the main event scene. Luckily he isnt injured for as long as people though he would be because that would of hurt WWE even more in star power. RVD is leaving and he is a big draw for WWECW. Sabu left and Sandman is on his way out and Marqus Cor Von is reported to be upset with the way WWE are dealing with his gimmick. So WWECW may be loosing a lot of draw power soon as well. Also Colt Cabanna is in developing, I would push him straight onto WWECW to help build the tag division with Punk or just to help the main event scene of WWECW because he is very talented and charismatic.

[filthyanimals]

The future is bright..........The future is TNA!!!!!!

[KANESHOW]

The future is bright..........The future is TNA!!!!!!

You do know that the WWE isn't going anywhere right?

[Maxxy the Franchise]

its TNA's time to strike

end the Monopoly

enter the new age of PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

maybe i'm overreaching

[KANESHOW]

^Yes I would have to say that u are lol

[LevesqueIsKing]

its TNA's time to strike

end the Monopoly

enter the new age of PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

maybe i'm overreaching

(Numbers are Mine)
1. TNA has never stricken in the past, and they wont now. They know where they stand, and that is in second place. I am proud to say that they will never be number one in professional wrestling.
2. There is no monopoly.
3. What New Age? TNA hasnt done anything different. TNA is just one big CW division...
4. Yes, you are.

[Deadman Inc.]

The Great One is done with wrestling, get it through your thick skulls and into your tiny brains!

On injuries, this could be a blessing in disguise as WWE will be forced to push guys like Carlito, Orton, Masters, Bennjamin, Punk, Burk, and they will have to go lax on having house shows which will give wrestlers more rest.

Nah, I have to disagree with you. You'll never know what happens. Who knows.. WWE needs to boost ratings due to alot of injured superstars, so they contact The Rock.. May seems highly unlikely but who knows.. It's not really 100% that The Rock may never come back to wrestling.

[legend killer Osses]

i hear all this that tna will overtake wwe thats just a joke it will never happend hopefully wwe will get better tho

[foxxc]

with bigger superstars injured that will give others a push

[AndyEmm™]

Nah, I have to disagree with you. You'll never know what happens. Who knows.. WWE needs to boost ratings due to alot of injured superstars, so they contact The Rock.. May seems highly unlikely but who knows.. It's not really 100% that The Rock may never come back to wrestling.

I think the most the Rock will do in wrestling now, is a cameo performance. He will never (very improbable) get back in the ring full time. He achieved his success as a wrestler, and I don't see why he would want to go back (other than for the pride and passion) because he is making a fortune as we speak on his movies right now, and is certainly not in any financial problems, or shouldn't be.

[syn_666]

i agree especially when the main event at JD is khali vs cena. absolute sleeper match

[Gary]

Sounds stupid I know, but IMO there is too many individual threads basically discussing the same thing, so from now on, unless anything really specific, which goes to the brands own section, all WWE bashing in general pls go in here.

Thank you.
Enjoy your bashnig. :)

[Sweet N' Sour]

they bought it apond themselfs. they need to focus on their young talent that aren't on steriods.

[darkwolf]

So I guess guys like Angle, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, RVD, HBK, Hart have never made it big then? Please leave out the mindless Vince bashing.

I don't see a real problem. yeah there has been a few injuries and these will take their toll but I wouldn't say the company is in real trouble. There are more than enough main event stars to keep the product of a high standard at the moment. On Smackdown you have the champ, and jewell in the crown, Edge, and there are many opportunities for title feuds, such as the upcoming Batista match, Mark Henry, Kennedy when he returns, even Matt Hardy. On Raw there is still Orton, HBK, HHH back soon, Cena.

I agree that some people should perhaps have been pushed by now, to at least be somewhere near a credible main eventer (Nitro in particular). However, WWE could not have really anticipated an injury crisis like this. I still think they'll do fine though.


Tell me who has been pushed lately to main event status ? All the big roided freaks. Number one contenders for the WWE title: Umaga, Khali and probably Snitsky. World Title contender : Batista. ECW champ: Lashley.
So where are those young stars ? Carlito, Punk, Nitro, Benjamin, Matt Hardy, Burke ? They are stuck with mid card feuds or wrestling on Heat.
Those guys you mentioned were pushed when Vince was still sane, and they had a Creative team with ideas and an eye for quality.

[Gary]

So where are those young stars ? Carlito, Punk, Nitro, Benjamin, Matt Hardy, Burke ? They are stuck with mid card feuds or wrestling on Heat.

Well, Punk & Burke are arguably now the focal point of ECW, Snitsky and Lashley aside.

Carlito is feuding with the legendary Ric Flair.

And Matt Hardy is one of few current stars receiving double brand exposure.

Nitro had a decent push, then his ego got in the way, if he sorts it, he'll be back on top.

And Shelton along with Haas are stuck doing nothing, simply because they are two of the least over guys on the roster, despite being great wrestlers, they don't have the character and appeal to back it up.

[legend killer Osses]

great times remember when anything could happen and you didnt know who was gonna win or anything so shocking you would watch it over and over again



WWE

same old shit all the time cena as champ edge as champ ok sounds alrite but the storylines are just getting to old they have destory the ecw name.


so how or what can make wwe more exciting to watch??



700th post :cheers:

[oblivion]

I recall Vince getting on national television back when WCW was winning in the ratings and said:We here at the WWE feel that you the fans are tired of having your intelligence insulted! Odd how that is exactly what they are doing now. Hypocrites! They are trying to relive the 80s by making Cena Hogan-like and it won't happen. Cena is not Hogan or even close to what Hogan was back in the day. They insist on making the most overrated people unstoppable and that is insulting. I don't have a problem with Edge being champ. He is a great wrestler and he is great on the mic. They need to do some serious thinking about what they are doing right now and how it effects the fans. Without us,they have nothing!

[Deadman Inc.]

I seriously agree with you.. Back then, nobody really got favored like Cena does now.. There were often WWF Championship matches.. Now.. there're barely any! It was less predictable back then.. now, it's totally predictable.

[AndyEmm™]

In more recent years, WWE are shoving people down our throats. Cena for one, Batista another (I find him uncharaismatic and boring) and Lashley. Back in the days of WWF, they would listen to the fans and evaluate who they should put the belt on. Having the belt on Rock, Austin, Triple H, Mankind and the Undertaker was great because they were over huge with the fans, and were not shoved down our throats.. There's a lot of hypocrisy and politics floating around the WWE now, and I'm beginning to lose more respect for them since Ariel's unfair release.

[JayR]

I keep saying this, WWE wrestlers need to learn to work. I haven't watched WWE alot lately because of this. Lets think about this -

Randy Orton : Gets his leg worked on for about 5 minutes, by Carlito and Flair, stands up, shakes his leg and no sells it for the rest of the match. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ABOUT?

John Cena - Gets slammed through a table. Stands up, like nothing happened. WHAT THE FUCK? When he was thrown through the Chalk Board, by Matt Stryker, Stood up like he was celebrating a win, the Umaga comes out. DUDE FUCKING SELL.

Lashley - On RAW when he ran "the FUCKED UP gauntlet" Master's put the Master Lock on him for 2 -3 minutes, then NO SOLD IT. That was so bad, because it's meant to be Master's finish and he no sold it. Like what the fuck happened?

MVP - Do I need to say anything. A few weeks ago, Benoit beat him down for what 5 minutes, MVP got counted out. As he walked up the ramp, he was Jumping Up and Down doing the whole gay "BALLER" thing. Like he was walking out to the ring. What the FUCK was he thinking?

Batista - Hmmm, King Booker and Finlay beat the shit out of him backstage for 3-5 minutes. He can't make the match, but half way through, he runs out like nothing happened. Umm Yeah right. We're meant to believe you can't make the match because of your beat down. But you can run out and beat down Finlay and King Booker like nothing happened.

Theres a lot more Benjamin, Jeff Hardy ( He can bump, but cant sell.) He is learning through. Kennedy, Deuce and Domino, Nitro, Dykstra. The New Breed

CM PUNK - Yeah thats right Punk, is one of those guys, that can sell when he wants. But when his not in the mood. He is just like everyone else.

This is why WWE is falling out of the Mainstream, because Casual fans can't connect with the wrestlers. Because they can't make us feel involved with them.

Look at the high points in the business, there was Hulk Hogan, Andre, Piper, Savage. Then, Austin, Taker, Michaels, The Rock, Triple H, Mick Foley, HBK.

Notice when Bret was champ it was a low point. lol.

[JayR]

Yeah I wasn't saying that TNA and ROH don't work and sell properly, I agree. I was just saying that, thats one of the main reasons why WWE is doing so bad lately. Because they are taking the casual fan out of it.

[Stavros]

yea but Cena's title reign is getting out of control he has beaten all the roster. In order to create interesting storylines they should have him lose sometimes.

[Sean_Carleton1]

Doing bad I wouldn't say they are doing bad PPV and TV match quality has gotten way better since '07 Royal Rumble.

[Stavros]

I agree with you wrestlers should sell the moves as much as they can, but thats not the main reason WWE is not looking good. The whole booking commitee or creative team is f*cked up and chooses who to push on personal opinions and not based on who really deserves it. Arn Anderson pushed Holly for no reason. Vince pushes Cena all the time down everyones throat, now Lashley. They should reconsider all storylines and make things more unpredictable.

[AndyEmm™]

Selling might be a key part of the business, but when it comes down to it, its not the main reason that puts off the casual fan. People hate Cena because of his wrestling ability, and the fact that he is continually pushed down our throats. Sure he could become better at selling moves, but thats not the reason hes disliked so much. People hate Lashley because hes another person thats being shoved down our throats and over-exposure of an uncharismatic bore is not good on the eyes. Batista too.

I don't think its right to criticise MVP on this, he's still a little green but has been improving week after week. Same with people like Kennedy.

I don't think that when Bret was champion it was a low point by any means. He was a very over character, loved by the fans, and is a national hero in Canada. Don't count out that he's also a terrific wrestler. Perhaps he couldn't draw crowds like Hogan and Austin, but I would certainly pay to see him any time, and i'm one of those 'casual' fans. ;)

[The Wrestling Pope]

a lot of those points you made, like mvp taunting benoit after gettng counted out, are just part of the storyline.

no-sellilng is dumb sometime, its also a part of wrestling sometimes, and i could only wish it was anywhere near to being one of the wwe's biggest problem

[Noodle]

Dude your list of "high points" is fucking rediculous. HOGAN? as a guy for when the buisness was high because of his SELLING? TAKER who no sells like kobashi in 99 sometimes).

Anyway, it's foolish to think WWE is doing BAD.

WWE IS AT ITS HIGHEST POINT IN YEARS.

Wrestlemania just did the largest buyrate in wrestling pay per view history. John Cena has made more money, not accounted for inflation and proportional growth rate, than ANY other star. Accounted for inflation, he's just under Hogan and Austin. wwe is expanding to international markets (do not doing so great).

WWE is FINE.

Selling has NOTHING to do with it.

And for your information, Flair was selling his leg from the night before. That's selling. His standing up and NO-SELLING, that's psychology. A man working through pain in his leg, that's heroic.

There are ALOT of things wrong with WWE, Their stars not selling isn't one of them.

And for your information CM Punk is probably one of the worst sellers in WWE. He's still just an indy geek working like if he were main eventing Ring of Honor.

[The Monster Abyss]

WWE is nowhere near as good as WWF was but it is not down to Cena so I feel the Cena bashing is a bit unnecessary here.

Since WCW was purchased things have not been the same. There are still classic matches from time to time, and occasionally great feuds, but in general the product has not consistently reached the same standard that it reached in 2000. The purchase of WCW lead to the brand extension which is obviously going to decrease the product's quality IMO.

This is not the only factor of course, a lot of talent has been lost in recent years, and the company have made some bad decisions. Cena is a good champion but reigns like this were very rare in the past. Face reigns should never last as long as Cena's one has. I like Cena but I can understand why people are annoyed, he needs to lose it really. Now WWE are superman-pushing Lashley too, I see it getting worse before it gets better. At least Cena is charismatic, can cut good promos and is capable of great matches, always rising to the big occasion. He puts in 100% effort. Lashley IMO does not have anything like the same qualities as Cena to be a main eventer.

They are not giving talent the same chances as they used to in midcard either. There was a thread recently on the demise of the Intercontinental Championship, and I agree with it completely. It used to be a belt that could build people as credible main eventers, whereas now it is not used like that at all. Benoit/ Jericho in 2000 was one of my all time favourite feuds, and both became champions in the future (although Benoit not as much as most people would like) Now Johnny Nitro isn't even getting on TV a lot of the time, and when he does is tagging with Kenny Dykstra and jobbing.

It is important not to get carried away, as WWE still produces an entertaining product overall, but there is a lot of room for improvement and I am worried that they are aiming the product at a younger demographic similar to the Hogan days, especially with Lashley becoming unstoppable overnight.

[SVD]

They need to make a deal with TNA and start a war storyline in cooparation with their writers WWE vs TNA that would be exciting

[lostindx]

I can understand why a lot of long time fans love the WWF era, i did as well, and that is what first got me hooked. But as much as i think that Cena should not be the champion, i dont think he is to blame for a lot of fans losing interest.
During the WWF era in the 80's, Hogan was doing the same that Cena is doing now, He was not the best wrestler in the WWF, (the same as Cena in the WWE) And he was not the best at getting older fans to fall for his gimmick, (the same as Cena in the WWE) Also he held the title for FAR to long, Hogan used to lose the title maybe once per year, (and the same now with Cena) Also Hogan had the SUPER MAN gimmick, "doing the impossible, and beating everyone"(The same as Cena!)

HOWEVER! (I am not going to just Hogan/Cena bash) as i have been there before:lmao: :chairshot:

GOOD POINT'S: (as much as i hate to say it !!)

Charisma: Hogan had it, and was great on the mike, (the same as Cena)

aLSO I AGREE WITH abyiss
Young Fans: The kids loved Hogan, (the same as Cena)

Merchandise: Hogan SOLD!, (the same as cena) "4 both, mainly dads or mums buying for there kids!" (See above!)

Classic Matches: Yes! both of them have had great matches, BUT i still say that that is more down to who they were facing, rather than there own in ring talent. (Hogan vs Rock), (Cena vs HBK), (Hogan vs Andre), (Cena vs Umaga), (Hogan vs Savage), (Cena vs Edge) ect.....

SO NOW TO MY POINT! :lmao:

What i am trying to say is that the main reason that the WWE is making mistakes at the moment, is that they are repeating what a lot of fans have all seen before! (For me personally, it is a case of "been there, done that!")

YES they have a lot of young fans that may not have been watching the WWF back in the 80s (But i still watch it today, and i am 26 years old, which i quess a lot of the fans out there "that" (GIVE THEM RATING'S) are still watching as well.

I personally want it to return to how it was in the 90s. (early and attitude.) That i believe was the time when WWF/WWE was at there peak. (THAT WAS THE TIME WHEN YOU REALLY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT!)

If you think of the WWF/WWE title: Taker, Bret, HBK, HHH, Stone Cold, Rock, Angle, Shamrock, Nash, Yoko, Hogan, etc......

That was the time when, ANYONE of them could have been the champ, and every single one of them would have been deserving of the title. ( As long as Hogan dropped it now and again :lmao: (which lucky for me, as a Hogan / Cena hater, he soon left for WCW!: jodes:

Attitude era "FOR": Hell in the cell, Ladder match, Table Match, TLC, Iron man match, HBK vs Bret ( matches that we love to watch at a PPV today!) or still talk about (as in Bret/HBK)

Attitude era "AGAINST": Not a lot! Stars getting hurt: chairshot:

But when you look at the list of stars for the WWF/WWE title, you could miss a few, and the show would still be 5********

I would also go into TAG/IC but this comment would go on all day! :think: :lmao:

As i said before when the WWF/WWE was in the 90's, it was fantastic:dancing:

And i thought that when it took over WCW it would be even better, but for some reason it did not work out that way (i thought it should, at the time! More, SUPERSTARS better show!:jodes: )

AND THEN BRAND SPLIT!!!!:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

I can see what they were trying to do, more shows, more main event stars.

But it HAS'NT WORKED!!:jodes: :jodes: :jodes:

YES we had some great stars! Beniot, Booker, Eddie, Jerico, Pillman, DDP, ect..... But WWE (*%/@") it up as they have been lately!

They may have sorted it out in the end (Beniot, Eddie, Jerico, Booker>(hate that KING gimmick:jodes: :jodes: ) But since then it has been down hill!!!:think:

I just hope that they sort it out soon, because i do LOVE WWE/WWF!

I wish they would just sort there game out! They have the stars "they just need to start using them!

:cheers: Sorry if it is a bit long, but i just wanted to get it out, all in 1 go!!!:lmao:

Also i agree with "ABYSS 1" The IC title needs to MEAN SOMTHING!!!

Not just be won by Stars, that a week later are Jobbers!

And also "I think it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better"

Hogan dominated for 6 YEARS!!! and the way it is going i can see Cena doing the same!

[thefreak985]

But the problem is, is that there is no emphasis on the tv shows. Like used to anything could happen on Raw, new champion, debuts, all raws were like every other ppvs except SummerSlam and WM.

We never thought mankind would win on Raw(before Tony Schavaini told) or Goldberg would put down hogan to be wCw champ

There is no reason to watch RAW because all major things happen at ppvs

It is the same stuff every week, it just doesnt have the feel of a pre2002 show, where u wanted to watch, and there was somthing good, i just cant describe the feel of it, but its mostly because there is one shoow a week per brand and they just try to get everone airtime and a few things on the main event.

one thing is that secrets need to be kept, like TNA did with Angle there was so much shock and excitement, i dont see how the WWE to allow all the secrets to get out?

[Rated C for Champ]

I really think that some of you should start to be more positive about the WWE. Sure, there are plenty of bad things, such as Batista and Lashley being in the main event, but there are good things, too, such as Edge as the WHC and the upcoming ONS PPV where every match will have some kind of gimmick. And say what you want about Cena, but he is a great babyface champion that is making Vince money, and he is improving in the ring. Also, his mic skills have been excellent from the beginning.

I even saw a thread that said to boycott WWE starting on Monday. Why? What will that do if a hundred people decide not to watch? Do you honestly think that will change the way the shows are booked? Instead of trying to boycott the product, why can't you all just try to enjoy it, instead of constantly whining and complaining about how bad it is?

[The Monster Abyss]

I really think that some of you should start to be more positive about the WWE. Sure, there are plenty of bad things, such as Batista and Lashley being in the main event, but there are good things, too, such as Edge as the WHC and the upcoming ONS PPV where every match will have some kind of gimmick. And say what you want about Cena, but he is a great babyface champion that is making Vince money, and he is improving in the ring. Also, his mic skills have been excellent from the beginning.

I even saw a thread that said to boycott WWE starting on Monday. Why? What will that do if a hundred people decide not to watch? Do you honestly think that will change the way the shows are booked? Instead of trying to boycott the product, why can't you all just try to enjoy it, instead of constantly whining and complaining about how bad it is?

I agree with you about people needing to be a bit more positive, as regardless of opinion everyone will be able to see some positives in the current product. However, this thread is here so people can vent their frustrations about the things that are wrong with the product, and they may think there is more wrong with it than you do. That's the beauty of opinion.

For the record, in my opinion having every match a different gimmick match does not make a good PPV.

[Rated C for Champ]

I agree with you about people needing to be a bit more positive, as regardless of opinion everyone will be able to see some positives in the current product. However, this thread is here so people can vent their frustrations about the things that are wrong with the product, and they may think there is more wrong with it than you do. That's the beauty of opinion.

For the record, in my opinion having every match a different gimmick match does not make a good PPV.
Well, even if you have to state a negative opinion, boycotting the product won't change anything, so I don't see the point. And people complain about the new ECW not being extreme rules for every match, so now this should please them, right? Wrong. Those same people are complaining about how terrible the PPV will be. It seems like some people are just impossible to please.

[thegame57]

I hate to say it as im a huge wwe fan but I am really starting to lose interest. When HHH got Hurt it didn't bother to much because WWE still had Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, and Mr. Kennedy. When Undertaker/Kennedy got Hurt I was pissed but still decided I would watch HBK. NOw HBK is off having surgery? I mean what good main eventers do they have left except for Edge and Orton (who is jobbing because of his backstage behavior)?

The WWE is in a bigger slump than it ever has been before, and I cannot speak for everyone so I will just say that I am dramtically losing interest. I hope these stars come back soon or Mondays/Fridays will just be used to catch up on my sleep.

[Strawberries & Cream]

If you're the "King of PWS Forums" then you should have known there is a stickied thread for this topic.

http://www.pwsforums.com/showthread.php?t=78678

[The Monster Abyss]

Well I see what you are saying, but as you pointed out the injuries are what has caused this problem. Kennedy will hopefully be back soon and that adds another good main event quality talent back to the Smackdown roster. In the meantime, it is just about holding things together during this injury crisis. Both brands have been hit badly as Raw has lost HBK and Edge, whereas Smackdown has lost Undertaker and Kennedy but gained Edge, who is the best performer in WWE today in my opinion and one of the all time great heels. That is the one good thing to come out of this, that Edge has been given another chance to be the top man on a brand, and wear the gold. Considering his talent he wasn't standing out enough on Raw, not with Cena dominating.

I don't think Orton's jobbing streak will continue considering the seriousness of the situation. He is really needed as the top heel on Raw right now and is a very credible main eventer, with the look, the wrestling ability, the charisma, in my opinion the full package, to be champion. If they decide to feud Orton and Cena that would be the best possible decision for the Raw brand at this time. On Smackdown Edge v Batista is a solid feud and hopefully Kennedy will be back in the next few weeks to feud with Edge, which could be an amazing feud.

Obviously the sooner those guys get back the better, but in the meantime things could be worse. As I said it is just a case of holding it together until the injury situation improves. It is a very unfortunate time for the company but at least we get another chance to see Edge shine doing what he does best, being champion.

*thread merged*

[just bring it]

It's times like this where guys like Jeff Hardy (maybe matt), shelton should at least be ready to get some exposure in the main event, i'm not saying win the world titles, i'm saying get in a feud with a main event star, a feud which could carry the company just untill they start to get some stars back, to sum it up.....have guys at the upper mid card level, which at the moment there is a big hole in on both shows.

IMO Hardys, Benjamin, Nitro, MVP, Henry and Kennedy are all still mid card guys. The only two upper mid card guys I can think of are Benoit and Kane and they should be main event stars year in year out.

Smackdown is fine, raw is the one that will suffer. With Taker and Kennedy out, smackdown still has their monster heel Henry back, Edge on there now as well as being the top heel, Kane and Benoit able to step up to main event anytime as well as Batista who just seems to be in the main event time after time. That's 4 credible main eventers there for smackdown Edge, Batista, Kane and Benoit.

Raw has only Cena and Orton now. The two monster heels Khali and Umaga were and are nothing but filler feuds just to drown out the boos for Cena and I wouldn't class them as credible main eventers. And the mid card division seems to have dissappeared with the mid card guys in tag teams now and Santino wasn't even on raw this week yet he's the IC champion. Tho raws lack of star power and mid cards are made up by Lashley constantly being on raw with the Mcmahons. (And no I'm not calling Lashley a star or draw, just a time filler because there's no other main event stars to have a feud outside the WWE title eg DX/Rated RKO and the mid card division is on the decline)

[iMatt]

WWe's creative team is what's killing it. It doesn't matter who you ahve you can make anybody loved looked at Lashley who is forced down our throats! Noteven champ and he's the top person on the P25, now I'm not saying the p25 should be taken seriously but you can tell who the WWE is pushing based on that. Creating ECW where to main title to competer for means less than the CW and Women's and then release and bury all of the superstars with potential e.g.; Bashams, Ariel, Teraky and then keeping superstars with little or no talent and pushing them like; Snitsky, Kelly Kelly, The Highlanders. Everythign is so transparent in the WWE right now they need someobdy fresh working on they're creative team whose willing to take reasoanble risks and push superstars who deserve it. And make interesting feuds there is only about two interesting feuds going on in the WWe right now and they're in the mid-card MVP/Beniot and NB/Originals

[thefreak985]

WWE needs to do what they did in about 97-98

Vince admited they werent doing good, and gave the booking to a fresh mind like russo, WWE needs a creative shakeup, not a wwf attitude, but something different because everything is repetetive and boring.

[AndyEmm™]

In my opinion the WWE is by no means dying. So much people prefer to highlight the critical parts of the show rather than point out the positive parts. It is a pet peeve, you always like to criticise before to praise.

Criticism should go out to the WWE for shoving so many people down our throats. Cena was the first. Many people at the time hated to see Cena as the champion, as they believed that he couldn’t perform in the ring. At that time, I was one of the biggest Cena haters out there, but gradually over time I’ve began to pick up a lot more respect for the guy and what he contributes to the business. I still believe that there should be title changes every so often to keep garnering fans attention, and to create new and interesting feuds and storylines, but I don’t see anyone else who could do as good a job as Cena’s done as champion right now on RAW. There’s no one to take the belt from him. They won’t give it to Orton because frankly he doesn’t deserve it after all the backstage frolics that he’s done. And they won’t drop it to Triple H or HBK as there out injured. The Great Khali also wouldn’t be able to carry the RAW brand either. So over time, the over-exposure of Cena has turned into a major positive for the WWE, whether we like it or not.

Also, the WWE is by no means having problems with money. They continue to bring in extortionate revenues and a lot of cash from merchandise too, namely Cena and DX shirts which have sold millions worldwide. The cash is steadily going to keep coming in, leading to bigger profits for the WWE. So it won’t die of debt in the near future.

The rise of the mid-carders like Kennedy and MVP also show potential for the future. Kennedy is one heck of a talent, and oozes charisma. Its going to come to a stage where he will be getting cheered heavily and they will have no other alternative but to turn him face, which is when he’ll make his biggest impact in my opinion. MVP also shows a great deal of potential as his knack to wanting to improve his abilities is very positive. He loves the business and is improving week after week, in the ring and on the mic. The WWE also have talent like CM Punk, Elijah Burke and various other potencies. So in the future there shouldn’t be a lack of main-event calibre guys to help carry the company.

[xjc260x]

What're you, dumb? Who the hell cares about these losers. You know why they were fired? Because they suck. WWE isn't going to lose ANY money because these people were fired, and by the fact that WWE had a buyrate of 1.2 million for wrestlemania and NONE of these people were on it, is a testimate to that.

This thread is just an excuse to make a ridiculous hyperbolic statement and have people shoot it down.

the only disappointing losses after the firings are done is the ECW originals

[legend killer Osses]

wwe is not dying just having a bad run with storylines and alot of superstars injuryed taking time off etc hopefully vince will fix things up quickly but once u hit the top the only way to go is down

[Ivyy]

Remember what The Rock's agent said ? That after the summer the WWE would be very different ? But does this mean that the rest he said will be true ? That the Great One will be back ?
If The Rock returning is in the cards, some of the releases are worthy. The same if it would be Chris Jericho. Getting rid of some jobbers to make room in the budget for one of them is understandable. However, Scotty was loyal to the company. He could have been used as a road agent.

[legend killer Osses]

bring back 98 style

[The Monster Abyss]

wwe is the next wcw a dying company and tna is the next wwe the dominate company i mean you all hear the TNA TNA chants on RAW ECW and Smackdown

So what a minority of fans have chanted TNA at a few shows, and you have taken that to mean it is the end of WWE?

Absolutely ridiculous

[Sonata]

WWE is just in a down period.
Only due to injuries to a number of main eventers, also the current lack of creativity.

Look who is injured at the moment.
Rey Mysterio
Triple H
Shawn Michaels
Undertaker
Booker T
Mr Kennedy (who was just getting more and more popular)

WWE really needs to start replacing this lost talent.I would be pushing very hard for a return of Chris Jericho.
Do all you can to bring in The Rock and Steve Austin, even if they are not wrestling they bring in interest.
Hopefully this draft will boost interest.

[glass_shatters]

WWE is just flat out disappointing right now. There in the worst rut they have ever been IMO. they single handedly killed ECW, brought it back, then killed it again. WWECW is not and never will be ECW. I think that they lost alot of support over this. Not to mention blashley and super cena that WWE continues to push way too far.

[BANG_BANG!]

The WWE will never be what it once used to be. The kingdom that so many people have carried on there back is dying down, If Vince doesnt do something the WWE will lose all their fan support. If this were to happen while superstars such as The Rock, Stone Cold, and Mick Foley were still in the ring than the WWE would never have been as popular as it is today.

[Strawberries & Cream]

IMO one of te reasons WWE isn't what it used to be is cause they've got no serious competition.
Seriously, TNA is no threat to them at the moment.
The marks claim that once TNA gets 2 hours they'll dominate WWE, arent they forgetting that WWE have on average 6 hours a week?
Remember when WWE and TNA went head to head?
WWE kicked their ass badly.

When TNA's ratings start passing the 1.0 point then its time for WWE to truly show them what they can do.

[EeL]

WWE needs to do a storyline that affects the whole show like what the Ministry was, that was quite possibly the best storyline ever so I think to wake up the fans who are endlessly complaining, WWE should figure out something bigger than the Ministry...

[King ZAP!!!!]

1. Thou shall hire every giant & unstoppable bodybuilders w/o talent

2. Fire everyone that I hate and the ones that I'm jealous of (refering to Steph)

3. Hire young wrestlers through the front door, push, depush, and get shown the back door with a sign saying, "good luck in your future endeavors"

4. Let's keep the belt on a superman cause if we dont well lose our young fans and merchandise sales will decrease

5. Let's continue to have the same stale feuds over and over to get money AND to lose viewers

6. We shall continue to have a "Legend Killer" to kill our brand to market himself more

7. Wrestlers shall continue to have no improvement, cut stale promos and have repetitive movesets

8. Wrestlers shall continue to bytch to get a push even though they have shown no commitment during employment

9. Vince shall keep the "ECW" to brainwash the new "ECW" fans how the real "ECW" was

10. For the sake of the E. Vince shall continue to have wwe a monopoly and demoralize and decredit other wrestling promotions



At least I've tried...To me this is an example of why wrestling has rusted over the years.


If you all can think of some better ones I'll appreciate it.

[youalreadyknow]

#10 is just plain false by definition of a monopoly, and #5 contradicts itself.

Good try though. You made a few points.

[X3M]

Ha ha ha. Good job Dude. But you missed the most important commandment in the WWE. "As long as i have my lips kissing Vince's ass, nothing wrong its gonna happen to me".

[King ZAP!!!!]

Ha ha ha. Good job Dude. But you missed the most important commandment in the WWE. "As long as i have my lips kissing Vince's ass, nothing wrong its gonna happen to me".

yea..thx...if i thought about that that would have been #1

[Noodle]

Ooooo Satire

[AJO Andre]

Ooooo Satire

...Irony? :whistle:

[dabratmattbigevil]

word buddy wwe sucks now i could go in there and make it better its so crap.raw tonite was bull exept cade and murdoch winning the titles that was unexpected.but wwe really needs to change

[youalreadyknow]

^You could make RAW better? mmkay, go ahead.

Oh wait, you can't cuz you're just some internet fan who bitches about how bad the product is, yet continues to watch it. At least the thread starter actually listed things that were wrong and hinted at some solutions instead of just saying "wwe sucks and i could do better". You're just talking out of your ass. Seriously, save the bullshit and actually do better if you think you can. I can't wait to see your wrestling promotion one day...

[legend killer Osses]

you make some good points good post

[EeL]

I think that Ariel should not have been fired, maybe push her to compete in the Women's division and not only manage would have been nice, she could have even wrestled with Jillian and Michelle but oh well...I don't think them getting fired is a big deal except for Ariel...

[mecha]

WWE is not dying, it's passing on the torch to the next generation wrestlers. Not all of the great wrestlers can last forever y'know.

[mixasian2]

WWE's not doing so good, but I'm still reluctant to watch TNA..

I mean TNA's ok, but I just don't seem to like it as much as WWE.

[mexicanboyt]

Yeah, WWE is losing great superstars, others are injured and the ECW show is boring as hell. If ECW dissapeared WWE would be better

[jon0190]

Eh, losing it's the wrong choice of words. Lost it is more like it.

[The Highway Man]

hah, wow, if the wwe was dying before, now it's buried 50 feet underground.

[Dangerous Incorporated]

I wouldnt say WWE is dying but its deffo in a slump/mess. And hopefully WWE have a bigger picture in mind for the WHC.

[mto13]

why do they always fire the good charictor?hiedenriech,rob conway in 2005, muhammad hassan,matt morgan,christian,arieal,p aul burchilland they continue to do this and keep the boring wrestlers it just starts to get less watchable i remember the smackdown after chris beniots death where they used thier charictors well and had some funny segments like the mickie/victoria kis challange and the cryme tyme stealing duece n dominoes car was the funnest episode of smackdown all year in my opponion and ecw with roddy pipper celebrates matt strikers birhday then boogeyman came out they should try to develope thier charictors some more and try to make it more entertaining but they havent done that much since 2005 instead of fireing them they should atleast let them show thier charictor more like on velocity in 2005 scotty 2 hotty fueded with william regaland it was an intresting fued they should bring back heat and velocity to tv again where small stars got big chances

[iMatt]

Wow, WWE's SD! which used to be the sbt brand in my opinion and Raw are beyond slumping they are on life support as far as quality is concerned. ECW someone might as well pull the plug, yet in a way ECW wrestlign wise is the bets brand on. Screw it OVW is the bets wrestling show on right now.

[PhenomAJJones]

Ever since WWE debuted John Cena on Tv he has been on an Ultimate Warrior like rise to the top runnin through the competition, and he has been in
over 85-90% of the WWE PPV's goin back over he has been in 11 out of 13 PPV Main Events.

WWE needs to come up with more Main Eventers cause Their product is stale, and is startin to become Garbage. If WWE don't do anything to change the Monopoly of Cena in Main Events then They are going to lose their fan base cause all PPV Main Events are 2 predictable Cena vs anyone and Cena wins.

Does anyone else agree that WWE needs fresh guys in Main Events instead of Cena?

[oojay]

Wait until SummerSlam:shifty:

[Evlar99]

^^^ yup lol. There trying just a little bit to shake things up but i kno what you mean and its not just cena winning its the whole product, there cutting back on the wrestling and doing more talking, why? i have no idea but its really getting me to tune into TNA more often ill tell you that much (and i love wwe) but now its just getting crazy. So many great talents on raw not being used its just ruining there other shows, maybe if they brought Jack Evans to wwecw it might be good since hes amazing but im pretty sure wwe writers could come up with a storyline invoving WRESTLING!

[Strawberries & Cream]

*Moved to the WWE Dying / Losing It Thread*

[PhenomAJJones]

I am sure WWE have a very very deep roster with all the people they got signed in developmental territories and it is time to bring them up 2 the roster, cause we need they need new faces on tv and if they don't use them it will only be a matter of time before their buyrates for WrestleMania will be less than 200,000 buys and their PPV buyrates will be hovering around 50,000 buys.

[wwecharacters]

What in the Hell is going on? Every time I look at the Latest News Forum, all I see is bad news. Scotty, 2 Cold Scorpio, Ariel, and James have all been fired. And Rob Conway, man I remember back when he was actually getting a descent push and I actually liked him. Stephanie is just firing people left and right, Vince trying to create at least one future world champion in Bobby Lashley, all three shows lack of superstars, I mean its like someone, anyone should go in there and just do something about it. Including creatively, the WWE are going down . Soon Triple H will be back, and when that happens, he's gonna be champion for 10 years, and the WWE will continue to lose revenue, support, and all together make some crappy shows. Someone has to help them creatively and try and create a few more main eventers.

I agree but then when you look at the Raw roster and see guys like Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Daivari and Val Venis on there (who won't be winning any titles), you have to wonder why? They seem to be bringing in new talent like Cody Rhodes..Triple H won't hurt revenue for the WWE as a business at all though..I think if anything HHH, Cena, Undertaker are probably three of their best revenue sources..

[legend killer Osses]

wait till summerslam =)

[Notorious187]

I have been a WWE fan for as long as I can remember. I used to absolutely loved it until early 2006. The WWE matches were becoming boring, the storylines were terrible. ECW was made. The only decent and exciting superstar on the brand is C.M Punk. Due to this total lack of excitement, TNA was beginning to take over the WWE. TNA took advantage of this problem and they were producing A-Level matches like they normally do to this day. One of the main problems with the wwe is that the wwe doesnt fight back. They don't respond to anything that goes on in other companies. They try to keep their fans from watching decent wrestling, like TNA. WWE acts like they have no idea what TNA is. But the fans do. Meanwhile, TNA do mention the WWE. And they can do that safely, because they deliver everywhere, unlike the WWE. They made a tag team with Mr.McMahon's initials, for crying out loud! But WWE don't do that. Because they DON'T deliver in all areas, which is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE to TNA. WWE and Vince McMahon need a kick up the arse to come to their senses. Everything about Triple H's comeback was good. Apart from the match. Everything was brilliant about the return before the match. The promos were good, they were building hype. His entrance at Summerslam was good. But the match - :@. It only lasted 7 minutes, 58 seconds. LESS THAN 8 MINUTES! That should be the average time of a SmackDown match. A PPV match like that should last more than twice that time. WWE is dying but Mr.McMahon unfortunately can't get that through his thick head. I wanna complain to the wwe, but i can't, because i don't know the adress. If you have the WWE HQ adress, please inform me.:feedback:

[iMatt]

If these 10 suspended superstars aare the rumored ones they say, WWE is possibly dead or on life support with docotrs (USA network) about to pull the plug.

[c_c781]

WAIT UNTIL SUMMERSLAM? for what? it was a garbage ppv...

the wwe is on life support....

[King Cobra]

USA Network already told WWE to do something or Raw will be kicked off the air. And for those who think 95 was worst it was'nt. This year was the worst everything was fucked up. John Cena was champ for like 2 years now. He beats everyone to death, bad storylines and feuds, bad ratings. Bad writers and the steriods scandal. WWE is at its worst and thats that. Don't know when WWE will be good again. People say WWE will never fall apart because people are watching it all over the world. Not really you be surprise that not that many people watch wwe product anymore. Vince may get money now but soon and very sonn he won't. And then wwe will be like wcw.

[Simon Sever]

Simple, PPV matches need to be LONGER, storylines NEED depth, new talent needs to be worked in so they don't look green in the ring. If they don't do that, WWE is on the slide...

[whrocky5092]

its all about the TNA stuff now

[korn_is_metal]

The WWE has been going down the drain since WMXX IMO.

[smblr111]

only one guy can save wwe tatanka!!!!!!

[Tnafan23]

wwe going down hill. go tna

[L.A.I.N.E.Y.]

wwe is going down hill but tna isnt doing much to be the no 1 show.

WWE was at its height most recently in 1999 obviously. In 2002-2003 they had a second chance they had nwo, steiner, booker, goldberg and other wrestlers from wcw which i have to say raw in 2003 was exciting but they have all left.

i wish wwe still had the likes of goldberg and booker cos at least it wud be a bit better.

[Doctor Karma]

wwe going down hill. go tna

What a useless post. Why didn't you support anything?

Go TNA? They kiss Angle's ass just because he's the only Ex-WWE guy who ever did anything important there in recent years. They have more 40 year olds then a list of sex-offenders, and they do nothing for the thing that made them famous: The X-Division.

WWE is going down hill? I think not. They are still a multi-billion dollar company, having so many superstars, 3 brands, highest fanbase, more support, more fans, etc. No matter how you choose to measure it, PPV buys, how much money they make yearly, etc. TNA is always second best. Just because WWE doesn't have Attitude Era story lines/Wrestlers anymore, doesn't mean they are going down hill. Have we ever seen this kind of wrestling/talent/ promos? No, so WWE is merely re-inventing. You might say WWE is repetitive/ too predictable. Angle wins every match he is in, basically. So If I was going to pick someone to win a match, it would be Kurt Angle. Theres predictability for you.

[jay02]

i agree. tna boards me. i dont like it all all. yes i watch wwe and wcw off and on and flip the channles. i love the wwe . way better then tna. I been watching the wwe since i was little so. wwe going strong. no one over take vince so get use to tna second place

[TheAnimal90]

WWE isnt going downhill. Only problem with it is its repetative story lines. They really need to freshen things up.

[jay02]

vince said he doing more kids storylines for the 12 years old. so. thats why its sucking with vince and his son storyline

[Gary]

WWE isnt going downhill. Only problem with it is its repetative story lines. They really need to freshen things up.

So when did they originally do a World Champ gets engaged to GM angle, or changed the road to WM (Chamber's decided no. 1 contenders) or a double turn love triangle etc etc

I'd love to see you tell me what they've re-done because from what I see, they are doing plenty of original stuff.


vince said he doing more kids storylines for the 12 years old. so. thats why its sucking with vince and his son storyline

Since when did Vince say that?

And so because his son is a midget it's for 12 year olds?

Shut up, the beating on Raw was great, very real in it's delivery and seriousness (reactions of commentators and those involved etc) I'm 19 and that beating had me feeling sympathetic for 'Swoggle and Finlay, even though I know it's "just a show", and hell, even the comedy stuff they've done has been good. I know people will piss and moan about the tunnel in the wall, but people need to realise leprechauns are made up characters, so reality should be blurred from time to time to coincide with the over the top fictional character.

[therocksays518]

man i really do hope that a new federation comes in and challenges the wwe, since they need it. when the wwe faces stiff competition for tv ratings, man they bring out their best shows

[jon84]

steph will kill wwe in 5 years

[Grim Reaper]

So when did they originally do a World Champ gets engaged to GM angle, or changed the road to WM (Chamber's decided no. 1 contenders) or a double turn love triangle etc etc

I'd love to see you tell me what they've re-done because from what I see, they are doing plenty of original stuff.
.

You couldn't be more wrong guru. Cena defying the odds is a storyline and we have seen that at least 10 times. The playboy storyline has been used like 4 times.WWE's current storylines are crap, unoriginal and boring.

[Jasonlives]

WWE is making more and more money each year, 2007 looks to have been the best year ever financially. And that is pretty impressive considering most major stars was injuried at one time or another during 2007. I dont see them dying anytime soon.

[Rockstar]

Yeah, but, to those Anti-WWE marks, and the WWE Attitude marks beg to differ.

[The Undertaker]

The only thing I hate about Attitude Marks is that they're ignorant to how awful it really was. Personally, while the Attitude Era had many great segments and events that occured, it was really bad and had tons of things just thrown in to grab viewers away from the other channel. It had good, but it had a lot more bad things, it had more things that we hate than today has. It was really cheap quality wrestling.

[-3:16-]

1997 was a good year for wrestling, but the attitude era as a whole has to be the most overrated era in the history of pro wrestling, sure, back when it was on I was enjoying it, and I've brought up in various conversations how it was an awesome time, but having access to all Raw is War episodes in 1998 I've rewatched some of it, and quite frankly, it isn't that so great. Sure, there may have been some great matches, but the way people see it as being 'the perfect era' is the biggest overstatement I could ever hear. I would agree with Undertaker, and would say the majority of it was cheap wrestling. In great respect, the two greatest years that came out of this era are 1997 and 2000.

As for current WWE, I think its fair to say the fall of 2007 was the most stale the products ever been in a long time, but up recently, post Royal Rumble and in the build up to WrestleMania Raw's been getting interesting, and for the first time in quite a while I'm enjoying the WWE product, probably the fact that their grandest PPV of all time is jsut 2 weeks away, but I dunno..

[FKLegend]

I have a comment. When I wrote this, I was pissed, and I'm pissed again. You know what, I look back at RAW and Smackdown! in good old 1999 when Vince Russo was writing the shows, and I start to feel bad. Why is it that the WWE has quit with making a character and producing a storyline and feud around it? How come we don't have interesting angles or catchphrases anymore? And how come is it that I watch this new style of wrestling, and I freaking hate it? I guess Vince McMahon just said "screw it". I'm telling you all this, I hate TNA, but I wish they would produce something good that could actually compete with the WWE, cause even TNA is starting to become a fucking replica. There really isn't much else I want to say. :(

[jay02]

maybe vince is doing this for the kids. i mean i watched wrestling for 15 years . im getting older now and im out growing it. vince all ready said he going to do it for the kids . he wants make wrestling more fun for Familey's can ejoy the shows

[Little Miss Ryan]

maybe vince is doing this for the kids. i mean i watched wrestling for 15 years . im getting older now and im out growing it. vince all ready said he going to do it for the kids . he wants make wrestling more fun for Familey's can ejoy the shows

well there is a show called late night raw, the older fans should get a decent show and not something for kids, im pretty sure if vince wants to do it for the kids let them watch heat.

he wants to make wrestling fun :haha:

to make wrestling fun unban the banned moves that pretty much ruined the cruiserweight divison when they got banned.

cruiserweight divison without hight flying is so damn boring.

quit favouring the 'A Show' raw and give equal amount of big stars to each brand to let the most deserving have a decent chance to do there thing instead of them all being on raw in a cue for a title shot they never get.

[TNA7]

Castrating the wrestling,pushing only personal friends and family members and ignoring popular demand is not a good way to appeal to anyone. Vince has really done everything in his power to negate the purpose of pro-wrestling in favor of his own distored design.

[FKLegend]

I wanted to ask a question for all the fans that have been watching this show since the Attitude Era. When was it that the WWE started to lose it's luster and what are some of the reasins that the WWE went from a 5's and 6 Nielsen ratings to 3.0? It could be a year, or a wrestler, or a number of things.

[Rockstar]

Product is getting stale.

[Rebel Benoit]

I wanted to ask a question for all the fans that have been watching this show since the Attitude Era. When was it that the WWE started to lose it's luster and what are some of the reasins that the WWE went from a 5's and 6 Nielsen ratings to 3.0? It could be a year, or a wrestler, or a number of things.

The Ratings Started to Decline when Vince bought out His Competion and when ECW went Bankrupt.

Changeing stations twice in the last 10 years hasnt helped much eather.

Vince is only good when he has some one to compete with and at this point TNA is not really compitition.

There biggest flaw is there not makeing new stars they Tried with Cena and Batista but when that failed vince quit.

Orton has Made himself a Star but between injuries and Suspensions he's not that dependable.

Vince would rather go for a Cheap ratings boost then actually put the effort inro putting out a better product.

like with The Million dollar give away and that failed INO.

The Rebel Bad Ass

[Junkyarddog]

Fist of all Austin and the Rock....the Benoit Murders didnt help, and its just the same shit week in and week out...hhh has pretty much had the belt for the last 7 yrs it seems, and every time they had a chance to do anyting good, they F it up...

EG...The Invasion
THe Nwo
Bill Goldberg
ECW
Million dollar Giveaway
Rob Van Dam
the list goes on............

[Doctor Karma]

Product is getting stale.

Yes, especially when they do the same shit repeatadly.

[Sean_Carleton1]

yeah a year after the competition died down Vince stopped trying seemingly.

[The Golden One]

When was the last time there was a World title change on Raw or Smackdown solely for the sake of having a title change?

Exactly.


When was the last time we saw a brawl go on in the backstage area?

Exactly.


The product is too predictable.

[Mr.Brownstone]

Late 2004.

[mto13]

the reason is the attitude era was just too good.when you put something that good in there and then decide to end it it's hard to follow and people get mad that after watching the attitude era and how good it was now watching whats on today which isnt nearly as good as the attitude era they want more and because they cant get more they get tired

r=thats just what i think

[House of Pop]

To be honest I think it started to decline in ratings after WCW died, but I think the product has been piss poor since Wrestlemania 21, I actually stopped wrestling completely from WM21- Backlash after WM22. Thankfully Sting came to TNA and got me interested in TNA and eventually back into the WWE.

[JDStatic]

Well, i haven't watched for the longest time, but i'd have to say my favorite time person was around the Brock Lesnar period. Thats when i got into wrestling. By that time WWE was prime, my favorite thing to watch tv, prolly the only reason i watched tv. But after that i watched for a while until they lost lesnar, lost of jobbers started coming in, i wasnt a big fan of evolution either.
Right about there i believe they started declining. Don't get me wrong things were still pretty good around the evolution age, im just saying thats when the decline began

[Doctor Karma]

Yea, WWE needs to get more title changes, less titles, more scattered talent, and more unpredictability. I hate the fact that I can watch RAW, and say exactly what's going to happen.

Ex: Oh, now they're gonna brawl.

Oh, now the heel is gonna win, and leave, smirking.

It's really just gotten too boring for people now. We like reality shows and unpredictability, the feeling that things are unscripted. That's what WWE lacks right now, is the feeling of unpredictability. There's nothing wrong with the matches, the guys, etc, we just need something to happen that's not going to be seen coming.

[darkwolf]

Same title holder, same title contenders, crappy storylines, no long term plan, no factions, HHH ruling the company, kid oriented shows ...

[Vanno]

Basic Economics really; monopolies generally result in poor products. Also, the emphasis on story and feuds might have gone to far and made actual matches boring to watch.

[Strawberries & Cream]

There biggest flaw is there not makeing new stars they Tried with Cena and Batista but when that failed vince quit.


Failed?
What the fuck have you been watching cause it sure as hell isn't WWE.
For someone who knows a lot about wrestling, you sure fucked up there.

Before Mania 21, no one cared about Batista, he was the muscle of Evolution and nothing more, they even stuck him with Flair for a tag team title run but that didn't do much.
After getting his first World Title, his success has been huge, his fueds with the likes of JBL, Triple H, King Booker, Kennedy made him a huge success.
Now hes currently one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment, and has been for the last few years.

Cena, same with Batista, before he became the United States champ, he was just a rapper who would let the crowd finish off his rap.
Now look at him, hes brung in millions of dollars for the WWE off merchandise alone, hes had some fo the longest title reigns in the WWE, his very popular amongst the fans even if he still does get booed.
Cenas has used his fueds with the likes of HBK, HHH, Umaga, JBL etc and its elevated his success to the very top.


If Mr McMahon quit on both these superstars then how come they're still getting pushed today?
Both of them are in their respective brand's main event at Night Of Champions, same with last years NOC and also Wrestlemania, Cena also won the Rumble and headlined Mania too.
To even say that Batista and Cena have failed as new stars is just plain stupid, they're probably the most successful wrestlers from the last few years or so.

[cuso13]

Ironically, the true downward trend came when SCSA bailed (because he supposedly refused to job to Guerrero) after the Wm where he faced Scott Hall.

It fluctuated a little bit when they brought in Goldberg. Hogan returning to Red/Yellow was a big story. Lesnar became the next big thing. These were all intriguing storylines. But 2001-03 is when the MINIMAL decline started. The Monday Night Wars were basically over at this point (as WCW was on its last leg).


THIS IS NOT TO SAY that there wasn't good wrestling during that time. This is just around where it STARTED to decline. And it hasn't come near those levels since.

[TNA7]

Failed?
What the fuck have you been watching cause it sure as hell isn't WWE.
For someone who knows a lot about wrestling, you sure fucked up there.

Ratings have dropped and the notoriety to the WWE name has fallen significantly. It isn't the finacial powerhouse it once was, although it still retains its number 1 spot in the industry.

[/QUOTE]
Before Mania 21, no one cared about Batista, he was the muscle of Evolution and nothing more, they even stuck him with Flair for a tag team title run but that didn't do much.
After getting his first World Title, his success has been huge, his fueds with the likes of JBL, Triple H, King Booker, Kennedy made him a huge success.
Now hes currently one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment, and has been for the last few years.[/QUOTE]

Considering how much effort has gone towards making Dave a credible champion, the simple fact is he isn't as over as guys like HBK,Jeff or even Kennedy. He is openly discredited amongst fans(hardcore and casual alike)and even his own peers have a general distain towards him. Wasn't the main feeling going around backstage that it was only a matter of time before the fans collectivly turn on him?

[/QUOTE]
Cena, same with Batista, before he became the United States champ, he was just a rapper who would let the crowd finish off his rap.
Now look at him, hes brung in millions of dollars for the WWE off merchandise alone, hes had some fo the longest title reigns in the WWE, his very popular amongst the fans even if he still does get booed.
Cenas has used his fueds with the likes of HBK, HHH, Umaga, JBL etc and its elevated his success to the very top.[/QUOTE]

Cena is a double edged sword, how many fans have turned away from the WWE as a result of him and what kind of superface recieves mixed reaction every other week and is on occasion outright boo'ed from of arena's. Cena is a filter solution for Vince because he can promise finacial mobility with the young/female demographic. It has nothing to do with feuds or his matches, the sole reasoning that Cena is the top guy is because the child/female crowd move his merchandise.

[/QUOTE]
If Mr McMahon quit on both these superstars then how come they're still getting pushed today?
Both of them are in their respective brand's main event at Night Of Champions, same with last years NOC and also Wrestlemania, Cena also won the Rumble and headlined Mania too.
To even say that Batista and Cena have failed as new stars is just plain stupid, they're probably the most successful wrestlers from the last few years or so.[/QUOTE]

Well were each entittled to our opinion, its understandable from both ends but IMO i view Dava and Cena as the worst aspects to modern day pro wrestling.

[TNA7]

"Failed?
What the fuck have you been watching cause it sure as hell isn't WWE.
For someone who knows a lot about wrestling, you sure fucked up there."

Ratings have dropped and the notoriety to the WWE name has fallen significantly. It isn't the finacial powerhouse it once was, although it still retains its number 1 spot in the industry.

"Before Mania 21, no one cared about Batista, he was the muscle of Evolution and nothing more, they even stuck him with Flair for a tag team title run but that didn't do much.
After getting his first World Title, his success has been huge, his fueds with the likes of JBL, Triple H, King Booker, Kennedy made him a huge success.
Now hes currently one of the biggest stars in WWE at the moment, and has been for the last few years."

Considering how much effort has gone towards making Dave a credible champion, the simple fact is he isn't as over as guys like HBK,Jeff or even Kennedy. He is openly discredited amongst fans(hardcore and casual alike)and even his own peers have a general distain towards him. Wasn't the main feeling going around backstage that it was only a matter of time before the fans collectivly turn on him?

"Cena, same with Batista, before he became the United States champ, he was just a rapper who would let the crowd finish off his rap.
Now look at him, hes brung in millions of dollars for the WWE off merchandise alone, hes had some fo the longest title reigns in the WWE, his very popular amongst the fans even if he still does get booed.
Cenas has used his fueds with the likes of HBK, HHH, Umaga, JBL etc and its elevated his success to the very top."

Cena is a double edged sword, how many fans have turned away from the WWE as a result of him and what kind of superface recieves mixed reaction every other week and is on occasion outright boo'ed from of arena's. Cena is a filter solution for Vince because he can promise finacial mobility with the young/female demographic. It has nothing to do with feuds or his matches, the sole reasoning that Cena is the top guy is because the child/female crowd move his merchandise.

"If Mr McMahon quit on both these superstars then how come they're still getting pushed today?
Both of them are in their respective brand's main event at Night Of Champions, same with last years NOC and also Wrestlemania, Cena also won the Rumble and headlined Mania too.
To even say that Batista and Cena have failed as new stars is just plain stupid, they're probably the most successful wrestlers from the last few years or so."

Well were each entittled to our opinion, its understandable from both ends but IMO i view Dava and Cena as the worst aspects to modern day pro wrestling.

[johnnypolo23]

My biggest issue with WWE is that I do not feel like I am watching WWE. It was cool, if not awkward, at first because I didn't like what was happening on Monday Night RAW (the misuse of Goldberg, the misuse of the NWO, creating a brand new title for Triple H) but I LOVED SMACKDOWN! The storylines were pretty good, but it was the wrestling of Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Los Guerreros, Chris Benoit, Jamie Noble, etc that drew me in along with titles that felt like they had value.

Now, though, what I see is too many titles that don't feel very important to keep track of, too many "main events" on PPVs, shows that blur together to the point where I cannot even remember what happened from week to week because it all looks the same, HHH still in the main event and still a world champion nine years later, guys with talent and cheered by fans constantly held down because they are not big enough or whatever to be in the main event, etc.

Why should I watch RAW when I am going to see a recap on both SD! and WWECW? Why should I watch SD! when they are turning more and more into the B-level RAW week after week (divas championship anyone?)? Why should I watch WWECW when they keep showing the same matches because they have a talent pool of 10 wrestlers? Why should I care who is the world champion when there are three of them? Why should I care if CM Punk cashes in his MITB when HHH or Batista will just get the belt back and I am certain he wouldn't cash it in for WWE's C-Brand show?

WWE has made me not care about their product. They have too many belts, too many PPVs, too many repeat matches, too many hours of television to try and fill, and keep the same people at the top of the totem pole. That is why WWE is declining. Even friends of mine who do not care to read dirt sheets or visit message boards because they just want to enjoy the product are complaing about the same things that I just typed above.

Bottom line: WWE is stale and has too many hours every week to showcase that fact.

[Crimson Thunder]

The WWE is not declining, you IWC bitchers and moaners are making it SEEM like it is.

I still don't see why everyone is still bitching when they have what they wanted:
Burchill, Kennedy, Benjamin, Punk, Morrison, the Hardyz and now Lance Cade and Evan Bourne getting pushes.
The divas matches on Raw are much more improved and they actually care about the Women's title.
Tag team fueds returned with DiBiase and Rhodes/Holly
Cena was temporarly out of the title picture (for a time being).
Jericho returning and getting back to main event status.
The list goes on and on

The positives out weigh the negatives, so stop the bitching! I'm not saying everything is perfect. You have every right to critic something you don't like (Cena vs. HHH again, this guy should be champ, etc) and to discuss what could be done to make the product better, but not bitch over every little thing like the Money Mania or bikini contests.

Bottom line, this is ENTERTAINMENT. This isn't real wrestling, if you want real watch the Olympics or NCAA.

[TNA7]

That's a perfecty reasonable stance since afterall entertaiment is very subjective, there really isn't a wrong or a right in this matter....there is only opinion. In my case I love a good wrestling match, I guess you can say I'm more for the athletic and sports aspect of the industry which IMO the WWE has progressivly negated over the years. I can never fully enjoy myself in a WWE card because of this, but I understand there are those that do and thats perfectly fine as well.

I just think the majority of IWC guys follow my line of thinking, they love the "skill" and the "science" behind pro-wrestling as a athletic performance piece and feel isolated and unsatisfied from mainstream promotions as a result. They fall into a trap of expectation because there hoping the WWE will suddenly conform to there ideals of what a good wrestling show should be. This in kind leads to very bitter and spiteful fans, if they only just stopped watching the WWE and sought out the promotions and cards they found entertaining this would lead to happier fans and less arguments.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Merged with "dying/losing it" thread since both threads are basically the same

[jay02]

raw for little kids

[beaverpleaser]

Im with TNA7 on things. I wont bother repeating things. But you can pretty much pinpoint the downfall in ratings to a couple years back when Cena and Batista became top guys. Ratings were in the solid mid-4's for Raw before the Cena trade. Then slowly climbed down since. Few months after that trade wasnt to bad. But it kinda seems like when MNF started up, ppl went away to view it that fall, and just never came back. Smackdown struggling itself the past couple years with Batista up top. When Rey, Eddie, and JBL were on top of the show, the ratings wernt where they are to when Batista started getting all his shots with/at it.

What I dont get is why they keep pushing the top guys they push now. Why not try different ones up top just to see what happens. Try Jeff up top, Try Kennedy, Try actually investing in your cruisers and tag divisions. They refuse to. When your quarterback isnt getting the job done in football, you bench him. When a batter isnt hitting, or pitcher is serving up dingers, you bench him. If it works you win, if it doesnt work, youve still pretty much lost either way.

[Sweet N' Sour]

WWE is not dying considering its drawing record profits and sucessful world tours. Face it Wrestling is just not hot, Even if WWE was the "Shit" so to speak, ratings would be still down. Wrestling might have another boom period but it needs a company to be innovative (And TNA isn't doing this), to grab non fans attention. WWE while imo is putting on a good product (face it WWE are delivering good ppvs) , They don't have that new age star like Austin or the Rock that will bring in new fans.

[beaverpleaser]

Borat... Im not so sure on that "record profits" part. Arnt stocks down more than they have been in years. Profit or not. When stock value drops, your company value drops.
And I wanna disagree with the PPVs. You might enjoy them. But its the same thing, same guys, same matches almost everyone. PPV sales are down for every ppv but Wrestlemania. (I think thats only because theres more sports bars than ever, popping up everywhere buying WM) PPVs to me are stale as a bowl full of year old Capt Crunch.

Agree with the new age stars though. Like I said. WWE wont give anyone a shot to even see what talent they really do have... Gotta try pushing new ppl.. Nobody knew Stone Cold would work when he was just midcarding as the Million dollar champion.. They gave it a shot and it worked.. Which is something their just to scared to do anymore. Tryin to hard to "play it safe" because theres no pressure for something new like when WCW was around. (Though ratings should be pressure, but to busy skipping around, tryin cheesy gimmics like money giveaways instead of something that might actually work.)

[TNA7]

Borat... Im not so sure on that "record profits" part. Arnt stocks down more than they have been in years. Profit or not. When stock value drops, your company value drops.
And I wanna disagree with the PPVs. You might enjoy them. But its the same thing, same guys, same matches almost everyone. PPV sales are down for every ppv but Wrestlemania. (I think thats only because theres more sports bars than ever, popping up everywhere buying WM) PPVs to me are stale as a bowl full of year old Capt Crunch.

Agree with the new age stars though. Like I said. WWE wont give anyone a shot to even see what talent they really do have... Gotta try pushing new ppl.. Nobody knew Stone Cold would work when he was just midcarding as the Million dollar champion.. They gave it a shot and it worked.. Which is something their just to scared to do anymore. Tryin to hard to "play it safe" because theres no pressure for something new like when WCW was around. (Though ratings should be pressure, but to busy skipping around, tryin cheesy gimmics like money giveaways instead of something that might actually work.)

Sometimes when you can't reach success you have to redefine what"success" means. In this case if a "5.4" cable rating isn't possible then maybe you should start shooting for a "3.5"cable rating instead. It's a sad state when the company has to give in with the"good enough"attitude instead of findng new ways to innovate and progress the product but I can understand someone wanting to play things safe.

Although the funny thing is that"improving" the WWE is fairly simple and I dont really think pushing new guys will do much, IMO the problems with the WWE are nothing external but all in regards to the philopshy behind Vince and upper managment. With so many restrictions on moves/styles and with every infrastructure(sp?) of the WWE being micro-managed by Vince and his creative team it's no wonder we are not getting the"austins and rocks"for this generation. The creative process behind the old WWF and the WWE are very two different things, and IMO the WWE's way of handling things is vastly incompetent when compared to the golden days of the old WWF.

[TNA7]

A Q&A to lance Storm from a fan:

"Q: My question Lance is, are moves actually "banned"? Is there a list backstage somewhere that says, "Do not use the following moves"? Are wrestlers at their own discretion to keep their moves safe? I'm more inclined to think that wrestlers have to ask to do something potentially dangerous like a Shooting Star Press, but I have no idea how these things would go down.

A: There is no official banned list; at least there never was when I was there. There are a few moves that are considered taboo to use, and unless you clear them you risk getting heat over it. Obviously top guys are given more lea way when it comes to certain moves. When they first started banning moves in WWE I suggested just banning shitty workers rather than specific moves but that did not go over too well. "

[Gary]

it was because they wanted him to job to lesnar. he didnt want to be buried by a guy that had just started out. he saw it as a slap to the face.

Actually, it was a business thing, he said and rightly so, having a potential PPV headliner like that on free tv without advertisement was a stupid business move, that's what he disagreed with and resulted in his walk out.

[just another other]

I couldn't really find an ideal place to post this, like an existing thread, so I'm starting a new one. Sorry...

I just wanted to get something off my chest... I think WWE is getting a lot better at the moment; fans are getting what they asking for, and everything is improving: wrestlers (in-ring and on the mic - Batista, for example), stroylines, matches, shows in general. Recently, I was thinking that WWE had the best opportunity they've had in a while to pull some amazing PPVs out of the bag, and set up some feuds (and others building from them) that could carry the company to better places for a long time. And because of the way everything was going, I thought that's what was happening, but it seems that PPV plans are changing frequently, and as a result, we're losing out on the best quality potential match-ups etc.

The first I'm thinking of is the 6-way which seemed to be building until Adamle named his first PPV match... now I'm not blaming Adamle here, I'm just saying (in case anyone thought I was one of the Adamle uber-haters). With the chaos that was building, I really thought that Kane, Cena, Punk, Batista and JBL were going to go into some match together at Summerslam. And then when I heard Jericho throw his name into the hat for a title shot in his "final" Highlight Reel, I thought... to put it plainly, "yes!" Now, that could have been an amazing six-way at SS, and then could have built into an Elimination Chamber re-match at Unforgiven. And this could have lead to any number of feuds between the six (minus Jericho - I'll come to that later) in the future. Imagine Kane disappearing for a little while, then returning at an Elimination Chamber match... with his mask!!

Cena/Batista could be much better utilised at another time.

Onto Jericho, the writers could have built his feud back up with HBK with Cade facing him at SS... putting him out of action again until Unforgiven, when he returns to screw Y2J out of the win... then at the next PPV, they have some sort of big-time stipulation match (Last Man Standing, Hell in a Cell) for a No. 1 Contender's spot. Could have led to some amazing HBK/Punk matches, and would have put Cade over big time.

As for Smackdown's two top matches at the moment... Khali/HHH? Yawn. I'd have kept HHH feuding with Edge, building to a SS match. With an Undertaker return at the PPV, after the match, attacking Edge.. they should have built his return more with some of the normal blackouts, blood pouring, titantron videos etc. Edge/HH had the potential to be a great feud, and imagine a HHH/Edge/Taker match for the WWE Title at Unforgiven. This could have led to Taker putting Edge out for two months or so (through injury or fear)... and, as a result, a Taker/HHH "Battle of the Titans" feud. Upon Edge's return, he could have put over a mid-card name through a long rivalry... like Kennedy. Or, imagine a Edge/Jeff feud. Although, admittedly, I'd like to see that for a title someday. US Title perhaps??... and that would add massive status to it.

And talking of the US Title... we need to see a rivalry involving Big Show/Jeff/Kennedy/Benjamin/Umaga/MVP... these six (minus the champ, but that'll be easy to incorporate) all have existing mini-rivalries going on at the moment (Umage/Kennedy, Umage/Show, Kennedy/MVP, Jeff/MVP), so it's shaping up like the RAW main event I mentioned earlier. I've got a bad feeling that we'll see a Show/Umaga feud, which will be a waste. Again, this could go on for a while, with a ladder re-match. Would push all six of these to main-event status, and could, again, build some great feuds for the future.

So... what I'm saying is, look at all of the opportunities that they could take hold of, and sometimes seem to be building towards. With a little more care and thought, wrestling could be back where it belongs: where it was in the 90s. There are more examples, and I know that some of what I've talked about could still happen. But I just wanted to throw my thoughts at everyone. So there they are... phew!

[The Golden One]

I agree with everything you said. Spot on.

[cmpunkfan77]

good post i deffinaetely agree with you

[wintafresh334]

I agree too homie, they should have an Elimination Chamber for the RAW side, their has been some backstage talk that they want to save that Cena/Batista match for WM 25, so expect that match at SS to not really resolve anything. also they should save that Taker/HHH match for WM 25 too, that would be a good match, but I dunno how they are going to let Undertaker and HHH tip toe around each other without Taker going for that title.

[Sean_Carleton1]

Excellent post I agree totally.

[johnnypolo23]

Really good post. I liked how you stated your case and backed it up. There are too many posters that don't do that. I applaud you.

[Blue Print]

That was a good read, made a lot of sense and I like your idea of having Kane come out as a suprise with the mask during an Elimination Chamber match, that would be cool.
I totally see what your saying on all those points but it could be the WWE holding off on a few of those and let the feuds develop for royal rumble time and then into mania. Most notably Taker/Trips, I think that could be a good/big time match come April. (hhh/taker part 2 in houston again hmmmm?) I agree with you 100% about a Jericho/Punk series of matches and throw the HBK element in there and it could sell for sure. I think some of the booking now seems strange but one good feud that I'm interested in seeing is MVP and Hardy, I think now is a good time for these guys to have a few matches.

[just another other]

Double post... sorry. Real one below.

[just another other]

Thanks for the feedback, folks.


I totally see what your saying on all those points but it could be the WWE holding off on a few of those and let the feuds develop for royal rumble time and then into mania. Most notably Taker/Trips, I think that could be a good/big time match come April. (hhh/taker part 2 in houston again hmmmm?)

Yeah, I was thinking that about Taker and HHH, admittedly.

But, to be honest, right now just seems like the best time to go for it. And, althought this is a little irrelevant, I would LOVE to see the following at WM 25... the two Titles establish contenders, and we have the two main events set up for WM a couple of moths in advance. BUT THEN... somehow (probably through a inter-brand tag match), the two champions and the two No. 1 Contenders have differences... and the main events change: Both champions one-on-one to name an undisputed champion... and both contenders one-on-one to name an undisputed No. 1 contender.

I really think that the two Heavyweight Titles should become one top title, and made interpromotional (for SD! and Raw)... so that you really have to work for a shot. It would REALLY give it some prestige. And, what's more, hand a lot more credibility to the US and IC Titles.

While we're on the topic, I think the two Tag Titles should become one too... right now, they don't mean as much as they should. I'd love to see them back where they were when we had teams like Edge and Christian, The Dudleys, The Hardyz, The Acolytes etc. And then I'd bring back the Cruiserweight Title, and give it to ECW. And finally, I'd make the ECW Title similar to what the Hardcore one was... I'd take away it's "heavyweight" status, and make it so that it could only be contested for under Extreme Rules.




... and on a side-note, I don't mean to be picky, but why was my thread merged with this sticky? I'm not claiming that "WWE is dying/losing it":


I think WWE is getting a lot better at the moment; fans are getting what they asking for, and everything is improving: wrestlers (in-ring and on the mic - Batista, for example), stroylines, matches, shows in general.

[TNA7]

I couldn't really find an ideal place to post this, like an existing thread, so I'm starting a new one. Sorry...

I just wanted to get something off my chest... I think WWE is getting a lot better at the moment; fans are getting what they asking for, and everything is improving: wrestlers (in-ring and on the mic - Batista, for example), stroylines, matches, shows in general. Recently, I was thinking that WWE had the best opportunity they've had in a while to pull some amazing PPVs out of the bag, and set up some feuds (and others building from them) that could carry the company to better places for a long time. And because of the way everything was going, I thought that's what was happening, but it seems that PPV plans are changing frequently, and as a result, we're losing out on the best quality potential match-ups etc.

The first I'm thinking of is the 6-way which seemed to be building until Adamle named his first PPV match... now I'm not blaming Adamle here, I'm just saying (in case anyone thought I was one of the Adamle uber-haters). With the chaos that was building, I really thought that Kane, Cena, Punk, Batista and JBL were going to go into some match together at Summerslam. And then when I heard Jericho throw his name into the hat for a title shot in his "final" Highlight Reel, I thought... to put it plainly, "yes!" Now, that could have been an amazing six-way at SS, and then could have built into an Elimination Chamber re-match at Unforgiven. And this could have lead to any number of feuds between the six (minus Jericho - I'll come to that later) in the future. Imagine Kane disappearing for a little while, then returning at an Elimination Chamber match... with his mask!!

Cena/Batista could be much better utilised at another time.

Onto Jericho, the writers could have built his feud back up with HBK with Cade facing him at SS... putting him out of action again until Unforgiven, when he returns to screw Y2J out of the win... then at the next PPV, they have some sort of big-time stipulation match (Last Man Standing, Hell in a Cell) for a No. 1 Contender's spot. Could have led to some amazing HBK/Punk matches, and would have put Cade over big time.

As for Smackdown's two top matches at the moment... Khali/HHH? Yawn. I'd have kept HHH feuding with Edge, building to a SS match. With an Undertaker return at the PPV, after the match, attacking Edge.. they should have built his return more with some of the normal blackouts, blood pouring, titantron videos etc. Edge/HH had the potential to be a great feud, and imagine a HHH/Edge/Taker match for the WWE Title at Unforgiven. This could have led to Taker putting Edge out for two months or so (through injury or fear)... and, as a result, a Taker/HHH "Battle of the Titans" feud. Upon Edge's return, he could have put over a mid-card name through a long rivalry... like Kennedy. Or, imagine a Edge/Jeff feud. Although, admittedly, I'd like to see that for a title someday. US Title perhaps??... and that would add massive status to it.

And talking of the US Title... we need to see a rivalry involving Big Show/Jeff/Kennedy/Benjamin/Umaga/MVP... these six (minus the champ, but that'll be easy to incorporate) all have existing mini-rivalries going on at the moment (Umage/Kennedy, Umage/Show, Kennedy/MVP, Jeff/MVP), so it's shaping up like the RAW main event I mentioned earlier. I've got a bad feeling that we'll see a Show/Umaga feud, which will be a waste. Again, this could go on for a while, with a ladder re-match. Would push all six of these to main-event status, and could, again, build some great feuds for the future.

So... what I'm saying is, look at all of the opportunities that they could take hold of, and sometimes seem to be building towards. With a little more care and thought, wrestling could be back where it belongs: where it was in the 90s. There are more examples, and I know that some of what I've talked about could still happen. But I just wanted to throw my thoughts at everyone. So there they are... phew!

Well said, and Im glad you are enjoying yourself with the current WWE product. Although a lot of WWE fans can appreciate you're view on things I believe its to late for some of us. Not to speak for every IWC fan or anything, but so many of us have put up with such BS over the years that the very mention of WWE sends a bad shiver down our necks. It is improving but it may be a case of to little and to late, for some of us at the very least.

[just another other]

Well said, and Im glad you are enjoying yourself with the current WWE product. Although a lot of WWE fans can appreciate you're view on things I believe its to late for some of us. Not to speak for every IWC fan or anything, but so many of us have put up with such BS over the years that the very mention of WWE sends a bad shiver down our necks. It is improving but it may be a case of to little and to late, for some of us at the very least.

Melodramatic maybe? :wink:

You're talking as if WWE are in charge of the world or something. Do you really hate WWE that much?

[TNA7]

Melodramatic maybe? :wink:

You're talking as if WWE are in charge of the world or something. Do you really hate WWE that much?

It's not about hating, it's about asking "how improved is the WWE" and "can I enjoy myself watching it". For the most part, the improvents are gradual but not to a signicant enough degree IMO. I'm still underwhealmed by the match quality, Im still unimpressed with the majority of main event talent and Im still not sold on the concept of sports entertainment.

[FKLegend]

The WWE is losing it now more than any time. Why, because after Summerslam what's next? What else? Truly, I don't see wrestling staying alive once some of the older guys start calling it quits.

Look I read some of the post. I think that WWE production is going up. One of my favorites is Beth/Santino thing. Santino is awesome and I really like his mic work. WWE has lost one quality: Storylines. Guess what, you could stick Triple H and Undertaker on RAW with all of the main eventers and the ratings won't rise, WWE won't go anywhere, and there will malways be this are of boring around it. RAW just isin't exciting, there's nothing that givs me that edge of my seat feeling. I know when everything is gonna happen. To me, as an attitude fan, my favorite WWE moment was when Austin gave Vince the Stunner for the very first time. I liked it so much, because I never expected it to happen.

And please, tell me one feud in the WWE? Please. Backstory people, name one (besides Edge and Undertaker) although its overdone already.

[andrei_cilly]

I know that it's a difficult business and all, and making money is their prime goal...but I'm sure that making just these stupid, repetitive, predictable, lame when they want to avoid predictability story lines and gimmicks are not making them more money...

For example

1. Everybody knows Batista vs Cena is a feud for 7 year old kids. I mean, nothing, absolutely nothing they've said or done since they started the feud made me even smile a bit or made my mind do some work

2. The John Cena character has become a Superman, Batman, Spiderman like character... with the only difference those heroes made some good jokes once in a while. Not Cena, no no, every time he is on the mic he is wasting his talent saying that he and whatever his rival is , are the top dogs in WWE. It was so stupid when last night on raw he kept on saying those things when the croud was booing him. Other than that, the well known wrestling ability of his has gotten worst. Everytime he is on TV he says he busted his ass and that he is working hard to be better, but when I see him in the ring I almost puke. A total enigma to me haw can a "wrestler" look so bad in the ring.

3. CM Punk is looking bad as champion, and it's not his fault Everybody knew that it's going to be a drinking contest, and that he wasn't going to drink

4. The Kane angle is a letdown. I thing they read on the internet that everybody was expecting to be Kane's mask in the bag, and in order to surprise, they changed the storyline... Or if this was the initial plan, seeing that everybody is absolutely delighted by the mere thought of having old Kane back, they had to give people what they want... But as long as little kids buy Ray's mask...God what a letdown. I expect another change in the story line for Sunday

5.What's up with these stupid arm contests. I stopped doing arm contests with my friends when I was 9

6.There are no more heel announcers

7.WWE are so lucky, because if the people don't like a performer (I said performer, not gimmick), they turn him heel. But they don't get one thing, people don't boo some wrestlers cause they are heels, they boo them cause they absolutely suck.
What the heck is with that stupid Colin Delaney, he looks so bad and is dressed so bad...I mean in real life I don't give a rat's ass about that, but when you see a guy like that on TV I just don't want to see him again. Well...maybe I'm wrong, maybe a girl should say these things as I'm not a specialist if you know what I mean.
I don't like Cody Rhodes...He is just another kiiied if you will, as his father would say. He doesn't cut it, although he is pretty good in the ring. On the other hand Ted seems so genuine being heel
Kofi Kingston speaks really bad jamaican. Everybody knows he is not jamaican, change the damn gimmick.

8. The enforcer gimmick is absolutely the most used. Ezequiel, Bam Nealy, Lance Cade. All of them are alongside little men: Y2J, Kendrick, Chavo

Sorry for the long post, I'm just...letdown

What do you think?

[Sylva]

The Batista/Cena fued could have been so much better. Batista even admitted it's had bad build up. If they waited and let the tension build up between them for months and had the match at Survior Series or Mania then it would have been a winner

Technically CM Punk as champion isnt bad, ever since he's become champ the rating has gone up. I'm enjoying his reign considering its shaken things up in the main event scene for the first time in years

I dont think the Kane angle is over yet. Either he's switched bag tricking Adamle into beliveing hes won by revealing whats in the bag or he's murdered Rey Mysterio

I dont agree with you about Roades and Dibiase. Roades has been doing most of the work in there matches with Dibiase do very little

Each of the enforcer are different. Cade is Jerichos protege, Ezequiel is used to make Kendrick more menacing and I think Bam Neely was just used to give La Familia some muscle

[^*(T)urbine*^]

Man, I don't even know what to say. I agree about Kofi his Jamican isn't all that good, I must say. All I can say its the WWE man (World Wrestling Entertainment) <Keyword. I used to like the WWE more when I was younger. I mean there is nothing wrong with the current storyline, but it used to be a lot more interesting in the past. I don't know much about wrestling in General, but all I know ever since the name change I lost interest. I didn't watch wrestling for 2 or 3 years. I just started watching it again last year... Its supposed ti be more "family friendly" now in days to appeal to a much younger crowd. Like below my age... I totally agree with you nonetheless. WWE went from PG-13 almost to a PG to almost a G rating IMO. I agree with you man.:agree:

[Brandon a.k.a 3:16]

You just found out there directing the show to more of a younger audience? Where have you been my friend?

[andrei_cilly]

You just found out there directing the show to more of a younger audience? Where have you been my friend?

I know... just that they're now at their peak.

[andrei_cilly]

I dont agree with you about Roades and Dibiase. Roades has been doing most of the work in there matches with Dibiase do very little


As I've said in the first post, I totally agree that Rhodes is the better of them in the ring, it's how he plays his character I don't like

[The Mike Adamle]

I agree about there not being any heel announcers. King was an amzing heel announcer but now he is really bland.

[ironicicon]

Either he's switched bag tricking Adamle into beliveing hes won by revealing whats in the bag or he's murdered Rey Mysterio


:rofl: I don't think Kane killed him. Otherwise, that PG-13 rating would seriously be affected. However, if that was the initial direction the story was going to take, then we were all duped and the WWE got another one over on us by taking something that's genuine and familiar and has historical significance and turning it into a ,"Nah-nah-nah-nah-naah-nah' laugh in our face farce.

Everybody knows Batista vs Cena is a feud for 7 year old kids. I mean, nothing, absolutely nothing they've said or done since they started the feud made me even smile a bit or made my mind do some work
I totally agree. I made the point in another post somewhere on here that this storyline has really no build up and appeals to no one over the age of 13. This one is for the merchandise and the storyline behind it is drivel. Batista is right when he says the build up has been lacking. No one cares about this right now. Not really. There's no tension. An unintentional punch to the face and all of the sudden they have this great feud to see who's better? It's weak. And to top it off, the title match has taken second billing to this.

Technically CM Punk as champion isnt bad, ever since he's become champ the rating has gone up. I'm enjoying his reign considering its shaken things up in the main event scene for the first time in years
I love Punk being champ for the simple fact it's someone new in the rotation. It's not Cena and it's not Batista, both relinquishing the belts to each other over and over. I like Punk's character and having someone with his gimmick is good to be in the main event. However, he's kinda, sorta being buried by the Cena/Batista feud that's being shoved down our throats. To me, Punk, the champion, isn't the 'star' of the show, but this contrived feud. Punk had a promo on the last Raw. Cena and Batista had promos, vignettes, and a match. Clearly, Punk is being buried and it's sad when you want to go PG-13, this is the guy you want on top. I mean, did we really need to see the 'main eventers' lose the belts only a week after they won them. It was good for Cody and Rhodes, but honestly, other than that, did it accomplish anything? Did it make me root for either Cena or Batista? Nope. I don't care who's best out of the two because quite frankly, I don't think they're the best at anything in sports entertainment. More focus should be on the champion and it's not. I guess none of that matters as long as they sell their t-shirts.

[kaneanite4ever3]

I agree the kane thing really fooled me, but in the most stupidest way possible. It was like having a top free agent star signing with a non-competitive team. You were excited he was free, but was shocked he signed with a team that has no future

[TheAwesome1]

1. Hey man, don't forget about the teenage girls (which is really why Cena won the text poll last night in such a large margin cuz as we all know only high school girls text)

2. Cena has really lost his promo godliness that he had back in 2003. For the past couple of weeks, he's just been rambling about stuff and i cant help but compare him to the Ultimate Warrior, just over the top charisma and nothing interesting to say. As for Super Cena's in ring abilites.......well i'll just leave it untouched.

3. I thought the drinking game made Punk look good as champion. It showed he held his own and wouldn't back down from JBL's verbal onslaught. But then again he's been pushed so poorly, Punk beating an 8 year old at hopscotch would make him look more credible.

4. EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!! Was pretty much just a shocking moment for the sake of shocking people instead of making sense.

5. Yeah, but apparently adding shattered glass makes it more enjoyable.

6. We all hate Michael Cole don't we????

7. I like Rhodes, DiBiase, and Kingston but as much as i enjoyed Delaney's Chikara stuff, he's just useless in WWE. Oh and they don't turn every bood wrestler heel *cough* Cena *cough*

8. Hey as long as having a bodyguard is going to give Brian Kendrik a push, i'm all for it

[andrei_cilly]

1. Hey man, don't forget about the teenage girls (which is really why Cena won the text poll last night in such a large margin cuz as we all know only high school girls text)

2. Cena has really lost his promo godliness that he had back in 2003. For the past couple of weeks, he's just been rambling about stuff and i cant help but compare him to the Ultimate Warrior, just over the top charisma and nothing interesting to say. As for Super Cena's in ring abilites.......well i'll just leave it untouched.

3. I thought the drinking game made Punk look good as champion. It showed he held his own and wouldn't back down from JBL's verbal onslaught. But then again he's been pushed so poorly, Punk beating an 8 year old at hopscotch would make him look more credible.

4. EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!! Was pretty much just a shocking moment for the sake of shocking people instead of making sense.

5. Yeah, but apparently adding shattered glass makes it more enjoyable.

6. We all hate Michael Cole don't we????

7. I like Rhodes, DiBiase, and Kingston but as much as i enjoyed Delaney's Chikara stuff, he's just useless in WWE. Oh and they don't turn every bood wrestler heel *cough* Cena *cough*

8. Hey as long as having a bodyguard is going to give Brian Kendrik a push, i'm all for it

Good interpretation there mate :agree:

[Crimson Thunder]

IMO, WWE really had no choice but to become more kid directed. Along with the Benoit thing, every time a kid hurt/killed another kid and the parents claimed it was by a "wrestling" move, the media blows it out of proportion and blames WWE since WWE is the most known mainstream wrestling program. That gives WWE a bad rep and damages the company.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Merged with the dying/losing it thread.

[pancake]

Maybe there revamping all of the WWE... getting rid of a shit load of guys and getting new management. There taking a chance I'm curious to see if they bite it or if it pays off.

[TheAwesome1]

Good interpretation there mate :agree:

Thank you :dance:

[Young Wiz]

wwe knows older people are getting tired of it thats why they are trying to appeal to younger audience as simple as that

[JJRERUNARNOLD]

I don't agree that WWE is dying or losing,but it's starting to be like WCW from late '98 to it's death in March of '01 I mean look at what TNA is doing,the audiance are tuning in to something fresh,look at ROH the top independant promotion in the U.S. again audiance tune into something fresh. If WWE doesn't do something about it in the near future they'll be in a losing war.

[FKLegend]

I'll give a rundown on my current feelings:

1. Currently, John Cena vs. Batista, involving the two superstars that the WWE has taken 3 years to groom into the main event and are, arguably, the only the two biggest star of the past 5 years. And if you look at the ratings, no change. Their match, crappy build. Storyline, they don't even have one. Why is Cena facing Batista, for what purpose? Do they get a title shot? See, this doesn't make sense to me, and thus, I really don't give a shit.

2. Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase together don't make sense to me. They have no personality. They were given time to do an interview and all they did was bore me. Also, Ted is the son of a maillionare, Cody is the son of the American Dream, the common man, why would they be a good pair, just cause their young? I think Ted and JBL should roll together, that would make sense.

3. I like Kofi, and he gets the crowd to pop. Interconinental Champion, no way. He is in no shape, way, or form ready to be IC champion.

4. What are they gonna do on Smackdown!? What feud hasn't been done? All theyr'e gonna do is stick two guys in a match with no backstory like Triple H and Kahli. What the fuck is that?

5. After Matt Hardy is beat on ECW, what's next? Who the fuck cares about Colin Delaney? I liked ECW before everyone was drafted.

6. CM Punk as champion, ehh... I really don't know. CM Punk as champion would have made sense if they would have pushed him a little more, but they wanted the shock value, and that worked. JBL vs. CM Punk, also not sure.

I really think the only thing WWE is missing is a little hands on attention. That's it.

[John]

Here is what I feel:

WWE In General: WWE seem to be on a more exciting pace, with better storylines like the recent Kane one on the horison, i can only hope that the area of effect and excitement rises.

Raw: Raw is the drama show out of all three. I am very dissapointed in the lack of action in matches, all I want is for the action rate to rise.

Smackdown: the action show, with few good story's need to utilise the talent in a better way and push some stars instead of the same 3. HHH, Edge and The Undertaker.

Extreme Championship Wrestling 2006 Onwards: Boring. Need I say more?

[jay02]

i benn watching wrestling since78. im not happy they went to PG tv for little kids. i still watch it. raw i dont watch because no wrestling matches. smackdown our ecw my two favorite shows

[L.A.I.N.E.Y.]

wwe in general: still provides entertainment, but its too PG

Raw: still number one show but not far ahead, starting to get to kid friendly after establishing itself in the 90's/00's as a mature program

ECW: most adult program out there, and very good as there are lots of youngsters

Smackdown: ok show just needs more direction

[The Dudebuster]

Raw: still number one show but not far ahead, starting to get to kid friendly after establishing itself in the 90's/00's as a mature program

Kid friendly? IMO there is still mature themes, just you have to think about them, which obviously people have issues with doing


ECW: most adult program out there, and very good as there are lots of youngsters

"Adult program", by adult you mean swearing? bleeding? etc


Smackdown: ok show just needs more direction

A near year long Edge vs Taker feud which has involved so many names seems to be what I'd call a direction, they have plenty direction IMO.

People are taking the PG thing too seriously IMO, it's still entertaining yet people keep making reference to teletubbies and child like gimmicks when it seems they are the ones who mostly need parental guidance to think and to understand a storyline without it being forced in your head.

[John]

Ok, for me i belive some wrestlers should not have won their respected championships. Fill out the following with reasons.

WWE Championship(Raw):
Intercontinental Championship:
Womens Championship:
Tag team championships:

World heavy weight championship (Smackdown):
United States Championship:
Tag team championships:

ECW World heavy weight championship:

---------------------------------------------------

WWE Championship(Raw): Batista, he has everything in his favour and would be a good world champ!
Intercontinental Championship: Santino! Santino can be funny and can wrestle acceptably. he would make a funny IC Champ!
Womens Championship: Beth Pheonix, She has everything and will be a star in the future! she deserves it!
Tag team championships: Pricesless! they have the brighest future currently shining in wwe.

World heavy weight championship (Smackdown): MVP, With cocky and Entertaining, MVP can go Far!
United States Championship: Shelton Benjimon, an up and coming star will go far!
Tag team championships: Smackdown dont have many good champions that i like.

ECW World heavy weight championship: Matt Hardy, even though i dont like him, he is good in the ring and is at the peak of his career.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

So in other words, your complaining about the current WWE product in relations to their championships. Merged with dying/losing it thread.

[TNA7]

Well you know, what can I say that hasn't already been said a few dozen times already. In short, the WWE like any other brand of entertainment in that it is always going to have issues and not be a "truly perfect"product. However these faults are just becoming more and more persistant which each passing week/moth/year and honest im hitting my boiling point. There are very few aspects within the WWE that i can honestly amuse me these days. As more time is passing im questioning myself as to why im even watching....especially with Raw.

[TML1988UK]

I think the real WWF or E Died long ago when the Attitude era Ended, nobody gives a damn about the likes of batista and cena really but whenever a attitude era tag team (DX) or wrestler (austin) return the crowd go nuts, when HBK and Taker retire the company is as good as done for in my opinion

[Gary]

nobody gives a damn about the likes of batista and cena really

Just because there are ignorant fans who boo these guys for no reason doesn't mean people don't care. I give a damn about them, in fact the past few years these guys names have been involved in many top matches, but yeah they still suck :jodes:

[Young Wiz]

i boo cena cause he cant wrestle and wwe makes him look like superman and cause of his stupid marine gimmick, the rapper gimmick actually was not that bad.As for batista im not a fan of batista but he aint that bad of a a bad performer.

[FKLegend]

Anybody want to do this? See, I was just thinking the other day, why is it that everything just seems so unorganized? One moment, it's like this, the next it's different. RAW is getting a 2.6 (remind anybody of 2000 WCW), ECW is in shambles, Smackdown!, where the main event is Triple H and Jeff Hardy, might not happen because of Jeff. What is it that this company has to do to pick up the pieces? Post if you want, just post something meaningfull.

[Hifo]

I'm curious how you see ECW as a shambles, other than the fact Mike Knox is getting air-time I'd say it's been a consistently enjoyable show. An odd discovery seeing as I only started watching it regularly to hear Matt Striker on commentary.

[Ingrate Shoe Thrower]

There's several things that need to happen.

!. Stop hiring writers that know nothing about wrestling's past or present.
2. Look what else was popular back in the 80's and 90's besides trying to come up with the next Hogan, Rock and Austin.

[The Undertaker]

Umm...is this thread necessary?

Anyway, I don't think anything is wrong with the business as it is.

[House of Pop]

Yea, I think WWE has built nicely for a future, they have plenty of Next Gen stars and I think ECW is great atm, Biz is just in a slump and will pick up again, it always does

[4 Gold Scorpio]

Anybody want to do this? See, I was just thinking the other day, why is it that everything just seems so unorganized? One moment, it's like this, the next it's different.

Please explain this in more detail past what you posted


RAW is getting a 2.6 (remind anybody of 2000 WCW)

The general wrestling audience was a whole lot larger when WCW was pulling in those ratings so to compare WCW then to WWE now ratings wise isn't accurate


ECW is in shambles

How so, they have established their name brand talent, bringing in & pushing new talent along with having them appear on both of the top shows as well. If this is one of those "it's not the old ECW"...then you have a dead argument right there.


Smackdown!, where the main event is Triple H and Jeff Hardy, might not happen because of Jeff.

That's just pure speculation right now, nothing has been confirmed about any changes in that regards so your jumping the gun here.


What is it that this company has to do to pick up the pieces? Post if you want, just post something meaningfull.

It's simple, they're already making changes by attempting to create new stars, new main eventers, and new storylines/programs/feuds. The business always has it's ups & downs. Take last year for example, 2007 was a horrible year for WWE weather it was injuries or bad media coverage but WrestleMania grossed more money than any other PPV in history...like I said, ups & downs.

[Lambie]

Totally agree with 4 Gold Scorpio... Jumping the gun with this thread. There is no need. I have been enjoying WWE output more so since WM24 than at any other point since I rediscovered wrestling in late 2005.

There are plenty of potential new stars, Evan Bourne for example coming through on ECW. Smackdown are making new ME level superstars, and there shouldn't be panic after one bad rating for Raw...

[Wrestling Dad]

The general wrestling audience was a whole lot larger when WCW was pulling in those ratings so to compare WCW then to WWE now ratings wise isn't accurate.

and wwe doesnt hold the responsibility for this?

they need to reexamine what they are doing. making cena and hhh superman has spoken for itself as far as the ratings go. an entire decade up to now of slow decline. when you have that kind of unyielding decline over such a long perido of time, youd better be concerned.

this type of discussion is long overdue. what wwe needs to do is take some chances and most especially create some stars that (gasp) havent been at the top of the card for the last 5 years. if hhh, cena and batista cant get you ratings in the 3s then shake shit up. unfortunately they ahve no competition thats going to make them look critically at their golden boys.

did they put over punk? sure, but they made sure that he doesnt look as strong as the other top 5 veteran title contenders. mvp, elijah burke and morrisson's progression comes to a screeching halt jsut as theyre hitting their stried, and why? because theyre not doing it exactly the way these old timers whove stewarded the decline of the pro wrestling industry in this decade want them to.

i predict more of the same in the coming future...

[Young Wiz]

Well they did the first step already getting rid of superstars and staff they dont need thanks to that guys like charlie hass are finally getting tv time.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

and wwe doesnt hold the responsibility for this?

they need to reexamine what they are doing. making cena and hhh superman has spoken for itself as far as the ratings go. an entire decade up to now of slow decline. when you have that kind of unyielding decline over such a long perido of time, youd better be concerned.

this type of discussion is long overdue. what wwe needs to do is take some chances and most especially create some stars that (gasp) havent been at the top of the card for the last 5 years. if hhh, cena and batista cant get you ratings in the 3s then shake shit up. unfortunately they ahve no competition thats going to make them look critically at their golden boys.

did they put over punk? sure, but they made sure that he doesnt look as strong as the other top 5 veteran title contenders. mvp, elijah burke and morrisson's progression comes to a screeching halt jsut as theyre hitting their stried, and why? because theyre not doing it exactly the way these old timers whove stewarded the decline of the pro wrestling industry in this decade want them to.

i predict more of the same in the coming future...

You completely missed what I was saying here & went off on something else. He compared the state of WWE current to how WCW was at that time which isn't accurate. The general wrestling audience (those who watched WWE & WCW along with the following ECW had) was way bigger than it was back then & the state of wrestling isn't the same now as there is no competition for WWE (sorry TNA fans but 1.0 ratings aren't enough to be concidered a legit threat & ROH doesn't even have TV) and you couldn't honestly expect the wrestling business (WWE in general) to maintain 6 & 7 point ratings for the last 7 years since all their competition died? That's being unrealistic. It is WWE's fault for some of the ratings downfall because of how they present their product at times but it's not all completely their fault as the business goes in cycles (history shows that) & there are periods where it's real hot & periods where no matter what they do or who they push, it's just not. That's not just wrestling or business, that's life in general.

[Gary]

mvp, elijah burke and morrisson's progression comes to a screeching halt jsut as theyre hitting their stried, and why? because theyre not doing it exactly the way these old timers whove stewarded the decline of the pro wrestling industry in this decade want them to.

Typical, jump the gun assume it's people "holding them down" same old BS argument, think about it like this:

Elijah: Has to be physical/personal problems, I mean he's still doing his "Elijah Experience" blog on WWE.com so it's not as though he's off for "heat" reasons such as guys like Dykstra who were apparently held off for other reasons. And has bucket loads of talent that it would be stupid to have him off the show for no reason. So holding him back I'd say no.

Morrison: To quote a few posts by myself from the Morrison thread:


To me he was always iffy when it came to promos, so by sharing that promo time, it's giving him a chance to do it without being the only one speaking to the point where it seems "forced" like some of his early Morrison stuff was, he was clearly not as comfortable with the long speeches as he should of been...........the Dirt Sheet/tag team run is a confidence booster to make sure next time he's in the ME role he has the ability and confidence to pull it off more convincingly than last time. He was a good champ but had ways to improve, which are being dealt with now IMO.

So held back? no, making sure he's ready and more prepared from a well rounded perspective next time? yes IMO.

MVP: Two words could sum this situation up: RANDY ORTON.
He began to get the cheers, like Orton did back in 04, WWE have learned from the Orton run not to be too rushy with a face turn, so by cooling off MVP in terms of his elevation in theory and it actually has a bit, has eased off the cheers. IMO they know he's got potential to be a great heel and they don't want to have his first run with the big strap to be ruined by smarks cheering him when they know damn well he can get white hot heel receptions, that's what I think is the reasons behind his slower assention to the ME.

Bigger picture people...

[FKLegend]

How so, they have established their name brand talent, bringing in & pushing new talent along with having them appear on both of the top shows as well. If this is one of those "it's not the old ECW"...then you have a dead argument right there.

Then what the hell does ECW stand for? Entertaining Championship Wrestling? At least tell us this. And who is the only legitimate main event face besides Matt Hardy? Evan Bourne? It doesn't matter how hard they push their talent, they aren't doing anything intereresting with them and thats why people don't watch the show.

And I understand ups and downs, but they have been on a downard spiral since 2006. 2007 was'nt so bad, it's just now. Your saying it as if yesterday was New Years, 2008 has been a horrible year for wrestling. There is no interest in anything they have to offer. The only serious thing in the entire wrestling buisness is Jericho/Micheals, and that's getting stale as well.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

^^^ECW stand for Extreme Championship Wrestling, everyone knows that & WWE has established that. Why don't they reference it as much, because of jackass fans who keep hearing the word "extreme" & expect the wrestlers to be lit on fire every damn week. It's also been established that ECW is the "developmental" brand by Teddy Long's "new talent policy" that WWE has established for months now by this is where the new names come in. This brand isn't set to be on the same stage as RAW & SmackDown (which has also been established) and you can say people don't watch the show all you want but the ratings haven't been this high since the brand debuted two years ago.

As for no interest isn't a fact, that's strickly your opinion...nothing more or less because the feuds between Undertaker/Edge, the revolvement around Ric Flair, development of the ECW brand amongst other things certain brought bigger buyrates on PPV's on some events than it did 2007 which you said "wasn't so bad".

[RKO]

Umm...is this thread necessary?

Anyway, I don't think anything is wrong with the business as it is.

My point exactly man fans complain too much. Pro wrestling still good. WWE getting tons of money and tna getting cash too. Wrestling is not dying or losing it. Those days that was once before will never EVER! Return so get over it. Move on the past is the past.

[TNA7]

My point exactly man fans complain too much. Pro wrestling still good. WWE getting tons of money and tna getting cash too. Wrestling is not dying or losing it. Those days that was once before will never EVER! Return so get over it. Move on the past is the past.

Although the odd thing about this statment is the reason why things will never get back to the glory days is because of the present state of the products. Nothing is ever going to be perfect but Iv'e around IWC boards for a long gimte and trust me when I say most the of the complaints are well earned.

[Cradle Shock]

I remember watching the WWF/E during the attitude era, and the fact that times like this were excellent compared to what the WWE is like now is what is completely putting me off the product.

I still watch it, but I find TNA more entertaining at the moment with their new vs old storyline.

WWE is in it for the money and shows no passion for what their business stands for, and I feel TNA do have the passion that WWE is lacking.

[Gary]

Tbh I think it's a case of people being quite contradictory with their opinions then vs now.

It's like Joe comparing his schedule at his age now with Sting's now, it's unfair to judge cos of the difference in age.

Same with this attitude era vs now, people are taking their opinions as kids where they weren't "smartened up" vs them now as "smart" teens with totally different kayfabe and personal circumstance, of course the feeling will be attitude was better.

But I not so long ago watched all the Raw's from 99 as well as the odd ppv which I've bought on vid etc and tbh while it was good yes, some of the stuff isn't as good as it is now. But it's what I mentioned above which is the problem...at least in my opinion.

[4 Gold Scorpio]

The thing about the Attitude era that I notice that people just got so caught up in everything going on & the entire wrestling scene as far as choosing their sides (WCW, WWF, ECW fans) along with everything GOOD instead of just how things really were as a whole...meaning they need to remember things that was not only GOOD but also average, bad, and just wrestlecrap (THE ENTIRE PICTURE). I'm sorry to the loyal WWE marks for this but people can complain about the PPV's & wrestling matches of today but if you really just go back & look at some (not all but some) of those old TV shows, PPV's, and storylines & see that some of the material today was in fact better than how it was before. If people are expecting WWE to hit a homerun with every single thing they do then you need to start watching something else.

[The Dudebuster]

just go back & look at some (not all but some) of those old TV shows, PPV's, and storylines & see that some of the material today was in fact better than how it was before.

I agree. I think that Gary does make a good point about people comparing their opinions from their childhood and the present. I think if people actually look back and watch with the critiqua level they have now, they would see a different outcome.

[RKO]

WWE is in no shape near what wCw was around 2000. WWE still bringing in cash money and their shows and ratings are better then wCw's shows nitro, thunder. And WWE are using their young talent more then what wCw was using them and WWE has better matches and storylines then what wCw had back then. People say WWE's titles are meaningful look at wCw back then David Arquette who was a actor became wCw world heavyweight champion?!!??!

[TakerFan2488]

WWE has alot of good talents they don't use properly. If the creative team was revamped with talented writers then you would see a much different product than what we have now. With the lack of competition WWE can pull stupid stunts and make up a bunch of stupid crap to put on TV.

The Attitude Era was the best era of all time because they went all out and pulled off great storylines and angles that weren't meant for children. If WWE wants to get back to being great again they need to stop targeting little kids and go back to what they used to do that made their product explode into a global phenomenon. Right now they are going in the opposite direction, and their product has gone downhill ever since.

[RKO]

See i feel they need no competition to keep putting out good stuff. They need to get off that lazy stuff thats just an excuse. If anything they should try not to have a remake of the late 90s when they did not take wCw serious at first and they started kicking WWE's ass then when almost going out of buisness realized and turned great.

[FKLegend]

Hi PWS this is FKLegend and since I've been here since 2006 and it is 2009 I am going to tell you ehat I personally thought of this year in WWE. Now I originally wrote thje post when alot of different issues were going down but now I feel i should write a review. This WWE year was probably one of the worst for so many reasons. I wish I could get into all of them but god it was just horrendus with CM Punk, Kofi, Rey Mysterio vs. Kane, Edge going to hell, Triple H being champ for a lot months again, John cena coming back and winning the title like always, ECW as an entire show, no real good storylines, matches thrown together, matches with no logic, and just so much more.

But since I want to be double sided, I will say what I did like. Randy Orton's new viper like character is just amazing. He seems so evil. Edge coming back was cool. Shawn vs Jericho spawned some memorable moments. Glamarella kept me laughing. Jericho vs. Batista- There feud may be underestimated, but I really liked it for some reason. Everything else, not really important. Don't watch ECW at all. Brian Kendrick finally getting a shot to shine.

If I had to rate this WWE year, it would be a 3.5/10, I didn't think it was terrible, but it was in the end. Everything just seemed so thrown together and just mish mashed. It would be like giving your kids cookie gough to eat instead of the real thing. Thank you and Happy New Years!

[RKO]

Hopefully 2009 will be a way better year for WWE. They have not had a good year since 2005.

[TNA7]

WWE is in no shape near what wCw was around 2000. WWE still bringing in cash money and their shows and ratings are better then wCw's shows nitro, thunder. And WWE are using their young talent more then what wCw was using them and WWE has better matches and storylines then what wCw had back then. People say WWE's titles are meaningful look at wCw back then David Arquette who was a actor became wCw world heavyweight champion?!!??!

The WWE is on a decline regardless, and sure it may not be as serious as late WcW but it cerainly isn't a good sign when certain aspects are comparable and even identical. WWE has improved over the last year IMO, but it could still be a much better product....we will have to see what 09 brings for the company.

[FKLegend]

Ahead of me, your right. Rep. Your can't compare. At the time, WCW was in really bad shap because of what Time Warner and them did. Now, WWE is better by a million times no joke, and it did improve a bit this year, but really, it's still dying. If you haven't noticed, the WWE is running out of credible matches and feuds. We've seen it all.

Cena vs. Orton -Seen it.
Cena vs. Jericho -Seen it.
Cena vs. JBL -Seen it.
Cena vs. Shawn Michaels -Seen it.

All that's left is maybe Rey vs. Cena or Cena vs. Kane, but we need some new feuds......

Edge vs. Triple H-Seen it. 2006,2007
Edge vs. Jeff Hardy-Seen it. 1998-2008? DAMN!
Big Show vs. Taker-Seen it. 2003
Taker vs. Triple H -Seen it Wrestlemania 17
Taker vs. Edge -Seen it HELL!

[Gary]

This "seen it" shit is pathetic IMO, I've explained many times before and I can't be bothered to again, but it really shows the lack of attention spans of most fans, a very narrow minded comment to make.

:backingout:

[Sweet N' Sour]

WWE is on its deathbed!!!!! I mean they only have a few weeks left.... and Who really wants to see Edge v hardy again, I mean OMG, that isnt going to be a good match. I'd rather watch Jack Evans and Teddy Hart no-sell shit for 50 minutes while I chant "match of the year'" at the top of my lungs :shifty:


I mean its not like WWE put on quailty PPV after quailty PPV last year. I mean its not like we saw Jericho and HBK have on of the best feuds of the decade last year. Its not like they had some really good TV matches every week. WWE still suxs and is dying. :rolleyes:

[TNA7]

WWE is on its deathbed!!!!! I mean they only have a few weeks left.... and Who really wants to see Edge v hardy again, I mean OMG, that isnt going to be a good match. I'd rather watch Jack Evans and Teddy Hart no-sell shit for 50 minutes while I chant "match of the year'" at the top of my lungs :shifty:


I mean its not like WWE put on quailty PPV after quailty PPV last year. I mean its not like we saw Jericho and HBK have on of the best feuds of the decade last year. Its not like they had some really good TV matches every week. WWE still suxs and is dying. :rolleyes:

I strongly disagree and here is why:

1. Edge to me is a engaging talent but as a legitimate wrestler he doesn't do it for me, he is a typical WWE worker and his style reflects this...if you enjoy the WWE style then fine but for myself personally it's quite boring.

2. Qaulity PPV's is a very strong overstatment, IMO the WWE has had very few PPV's to rave about last year and I personally thought WM lastyear was a bust.

3. Jericho is good, but "best feuds" of the decade is really stretching it.

[Evolution1624]

After watching tonights Royal Rumble, it occured to me what exactly is wrong with World Wrestling Entertainment and here it is.

WWE is by far the number one sports entertainment company in the world and has been for the better part of the last decade. They are making tons of money every year despite its fallen popularity in the American viewing public. One of the reasons I believe that the company is not as good as it was 10 or even 6 years ago is its constant failure to showcase it's best possible product on television or even pay per view.

Tonight's 2009 Royal Rumble featured only five matches. In 2001-2003, every pay per view had eight matches. Showcasing title matches of all kinds and displaying mid card talents as well as the big stars. Tonights pay per view should have at least had 6 to 7 matches. The CM Punk vs. William Regal No DQ match for the IC Title should have been tonight. How about adding a Miz/Morrison vs. Cryme Time for the tag titles? And when was the last time Shelton Benjamin defended the United States? These are all reasonable questions if you ask me. And what about those wasted Royal Rumble spots? Dolph Ziggler? Jim Duggan? Come on. No HBK in the Rumble?

WWE has interesting storylines and a hell of a lot of talent on their roster. They could be putting on the best wrestling ever seen on a routine basis, however, ancient superstars are continueing to monopolize the top spots and guys like John Cena and Vladimir Kozlov are putting on matches that will straight up put you to sleep. WWE needs to highlight the tremendous talent they have in the ring and in new fresh matches and storylines. They need to showcase their whole roster and create new vibrate characters with their young talent. they need to let us the fans decide who we like and think is a nobody and push people we can get behind. The best matches shouldn't be just at Wrestlemania but spread out throughout the year. They need a fire under their ass if you ask me.

Tell me what you think guys!

[™S. nay-rappeX taMmeT]

u cant have 6-7 matches at the rumble, seeing as how the rumble match is over an hour long.

and if they DID put 6 matches on the card, they'd all be short and shitty.

[Strawberries & Cream]

With a 1 hour+ Royal Rumble match plus backstage promos, can you not see why there isn't 6-7 other matches on the card?

[ironicicon]

I hear what you're saying, but to answer directly and to the point, as opposed to givng a long explanation to justify, I'll just say this: It was the Royal Rumble. The Rumble was what, an hour long, give or take. Adding any more to it wouldn't make sense and they'd be short and tedious as most of the talent is in the Rumble itself. Logistically it would fail. Now if it were a regular ppv, then there'd be an issue.

[Smartmark]

:bow: Ironicicon

The rumble match wasn't over an hour, so they could added some more matches on the card. But the minor titles are never defended anyomre. It's many PPV's between the times those titles are on the line.

I kinda liked that Duggan was in the rumble. He has more to do there than for example Goldust, Ziggler, Knox and Cryme Tyme

[K.G.]

I hear what you're saying, but to answer directly and to the point, as opposed to givng a long explanation to justify, I'll just say this: It was the Royal Rumble. The Rumble was what, an hour long, give or take. Adding any more to it wouldn't make sense and they'd be short and tedious as most of the talent is in the Rumble itself. Logistically it would fail. Now if it were a regular ppv, then there'd be an issue.

I second that :agree:

[Vance685]

I kinda liked that Duggan was in the rumble. He has more to do there than for example Goldust, Ziggler, Knox and Cryme Tyme

Goldust was there to further his feud with cody rhodes,and knox was there to further his feud with rey i guess? no idea why ziggler was there,comedy elimination? and cryme tyme weren't in the rumble only jtg was as a filler.

[Killing Loneliness]

no idea why ziggler was there,comedy elimination?

Santino was the comedy elimination, and a funny one at that :haha:

[The Phenom]

Yeah I liked this years, Santino definitely set a new record from The Warlord now being the fastest ever eliminated, and I am glad to know that Christian did not come back. But to see that with Hardy I was not expecting it.

Plus I am still a member of a thought that there should be more people in the rumble, turn it into a gigantic slobber knocker/slugfest. Kind of like what George Carlin always said you get everyone in a huge dirt arena, fill them with whiskey and drugs and have the just beat the crap out of each other until one guy is left. Now of course you would not have the alcohol or drugs, but still have everyone fighting at once all brands, even include people who were in matches before the rumble give them one last chance for the night.

[TNA7]

I'm still just rolling on the floor with Christains debut....WHY WWE WHY......

[CloneCoalition21]

What Are Your Views??

[nomad716]

i like how raw ecw and smackdown are 1 company like in the olden day before they split to 2 shows. they should keep it like this

[The Phalanx]

To be honest, I do not think that the brand needs any MAJOR changes...overall I htink it is a fairly decent product and the best WWE programming we have seen, IMO, since later 2000-early 2001.

With that said, there are some tweaks I would make...

1) Strengthen the "other titles". As far as I'm concerned, all of the title with the exception of the WWE and World titles are practically meaningless. The IC title used to be nearly as prestigious as the top title, it has now become the equivalent of what the European title was 10 years ago. The same goes for the US championship. BOTH of these titles need to be strengthened by NOT making them fallback options for former top stars but as stepping stones for new stars. There is NO POINT AT ALL in Rey or JBL going for the strap, it should be used to put over new stars like it did in the past. They do a better job of this with the US title however it has slipped too low and needs to be fought for by two SERIOUS contenders.

The same goes for the CW title, put all of the cruiserweights back on smackdown and make this title worth it again. When the brand split first happened, one of the few bright spots was how glorious this belt became, remember the run Matt Hardy V1 had? This can be easily done once again.

2) Get rid of ECW. Seriously, it makes the product too accessible (using the old argument that with 2 shows it makes it too easy to skip watching the other shows). Honestly, does ANYBODY care who holds the ECW championship? Just put ECW back together with the other 2 brands and stop destroying its legacies by using it as a farm system for the WWE, for christs sake!

3) NO MORE COMMERCIALS DURING MATCHES! Don't we hate this? It seems that nowadays I feel privileged for there to be only 1 commercial break during a match...these breaks disrupt the flow of matches and make me bored with the show.

Theres a few more, but I have to study for a midterm monday lol so that's all for now...

[roseg19]

Yeah, I think they need to get rid of some of the wasted superstars and unsplit the brands and just keep RAW/Smackdown with one other bonus show for the weekend.

They have 3 shows out now, with an average of 30 people to each show (about 90 in total including announcers, GM's, Managers)and if you compare this to before the brand split in 2002, it's just about the same amount of superstars, but yet it still seems that a lot of wrestlers don't get their chance to shine, or as much TV time as people claim what this brand split is doing

if not that, I still think they should get rid of some of their wasteful roster, and have the brand split be less strict, and make ECW be what WWE Superstars is suppose to be and not even put out Superstars

also get rid of the Diva's belt, just keep the Women's belt, if anything bring back the Cruiserweight , but I do see the Diva/Womens belt merging in the future

but that's just my opinion that most likely wont happen

[Sean_Carleton1]

No need for anything major but some changes would be great pretty much make one roster and have one show dedicated mostly to the up and coming guys and just cut the fat.... pun intended Mark Henry!