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^^^The last anyone has seen or heard from Savage was that he did a voice in the animated movie "Bolt" that came out a while ago & at the premier, his beard was long & white as a ghost so his age really caught up with him to say the least. The last we saw of him wrestlingwise was back in late '04 in TNA when he was there for a month to work a program with Jeff Hardy & AJ Styles vs. Jarrett, Hall & Nash but he had a confrontation with Hulk Hogan backstage at the show which caused him to walk out of the next two TV tapings but they brought him back to finish the program but after he heavily botched the ending to the six man tag match at Turning Point, TNA let him go & we haven't seen him in wrestling sense.
As for his relationship with WWE, something happened between him & Vince years ago that sparked a whole bunch of rumors ranging from reasonable (he jumped to WCW without telling anyone after Vince secured him a "job for life" backstage in WWE) to just plain outragegous (like the rumor he did something sexual to Stephanie who was still a minor at the time he left) hense why WWE doesn't go out of their way to acknowledge Randy Savage in anyway, shape, or form outside of his recent DVD set.
yeah, i've heard the Stwph rumor for a while now, but I kinda feel that "proper authorities" would have been involved.
As for the lifetime job, if thats the case, that would totally explain Vince being oblivious to Macho's existence. Although for Vince to hold a grudge for this long, with a fella like Macho who i truly marked out for, heel or face, is REALLY lame. I never kept up with Macho when he went to WCW ( I stopped watching in like '94, then started back upin '99) so i really can't comment on WCW run.
All i know is, the WWF would have been a totally different landscape w/o Macho... he deserves to be in the Hall. If there's room for Koko B. Ware in the GD hall, I think they can fit Macho in somewhere
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Was The Sandman ever a heel in ECW (when he officially debuted with The Sandman character) ? and if so, when?
^^^He was a heel for a while back in the early "Extreme" days up to early '96 when Woman left for WCW & the feud with Raven started.
^ Cheers, I never watched much ECW, I always assumed he was always a crowd favorite (except fpr that time he admitted getting booed during his first few months)
Maybe someone knows this one but I've heard Roddy Piper refer to himself as a cousin of the Hart Family various times & it's been played up once or twice on TV (like his shoot with Russo in TNA where he called Owen his cousin & the prematch interview at WM8 against Bret)...is that really true & through which family member is he related?
^ I couldn't find anything valid, except for wiki, which says he's a cousin to the family.
While I'm here, I have one, tho it's more of a request really.
Does anyone have Raven's rant on people using wrestlers real names?
^^^Never heard anything about that.
I'm watching the Starrcade DVD & see that the Sting/Vader match was the finals of a tournament called "King Of Cable." This was during the WCW period where I didn't watch much but what was the purpose of this tournament & did it ever amount of anything?
Does anyone know where Gary Michael Capetta is from, or where he was born?
It's funny, but going on a few online Wrestling profile/stat sites it doesn't seem to list anything for him...
how many times did Bret Hart face Hogan in WCW? I think they did once on Nitro in 98? What were the results.
"We’re fighting because Anderson doesn’t want to fight me. Anderson trained with Munoz, he got destroyed by Munoz, he doesn’t want to fight Mark. Ed Soares, Anderson’s manager, worked diligently behind the scenes to make Mark and I fight each other. So I don’t have a big problem fighting Mark. my resentment is that Anderson got his way.”
Chael Sonnen
I don't know but I know he wrote a wrestling book in the past so I would check out information on that & maybe you'll find something.
Yeah, they've only fought once & it was on Hogan's last DVD WWE put out in Nov. Here's my review of that match....
vs. Bret Hart - Don't judge a book by it's cover here because eventhough this match is advertised as the first (and to my knowledge, ONLY) "Hogan vs. Hart" match, this was nothing more than a segment to help setup the Bret Hart/Sting match at Halloween Havoc the next month. A few minutes into the match, Hart heavily hurt his knee causing nWo Wolfpac to help him get medical help while Sting (who Bret had formed an alliance with weeks earlier) took his place in the match only for Hogan's nWo stable to attack the Wolfpack in the back leading to Hart turning on Sting & beating him down in the ring with the assistance of Hogan.
"WCW Monday Nitro" Sept. '98
Ok then, I have a few questions regarding the terminology and its history. When for the first time the following terms were used in wrestling (in rather major promotions, of course):
- Cruiserweight - was it at the time when WCW established their Cruiserweight Championship (or renamed it from Lightweight, which was in 1996) or maybe some other promotion used this term before?
- Hardcore - not only Hardcore Title, but also Hardcore Match - when this word started to appear and what was its 'predecessor'? No Rules Match, Death Match, or something like that? Were there any differences between those types of matches?
- No DQ Match - same as above.
- All kinds of 3way matches - I believe it was Triangle Match in WCW (with the tag rules) and Three Way Match (?) in WWF. Triple Threat is a modern name, right? So those historic ones, when did they start to take place? Did all of them had the tag rules, or in some type were all three guys in the ring at the same time?
WCW was the first company I can recall using the term "crusierweight" in North American wrestling (can't speak for international promotions) back in 1996 when they restarted the division. Before then, they were referred to in WCW as light heavyweights (they only had that division for a year from Oct. 91-Sept. 92) which is what WWE also referred to them as when they did their version of a division in late 1997. Before that, they were always referenced as "junior heavyweights."
WWE (and later WCW) didn't start actually refer to those types of matches as a "hardcore" match until around 1998 when ECW got real popular & along with the term "hardcore" which ECW branded itself as. Before then, it was generally called a No Disqualification match. Other different types of these matches were done as well very little difference. There was a street fight (or to play off their southern routes in the NWA, it would be called a "Bunkhouse Match") where usually the wrestlers came in their street clothes, a lights out match where it was put over that the promotion didn't sanction this match, or a falls count anywhere match. There was also the term a "No Holds Barred" match which was also refered to a "one fall to a finish" but those usually rely on the wrestlers doing a more aggressive style than just relying on weapons eventhough they were legal (see Bret/Diesel from S. Series 95 as a perfect example). That's all off the top of my head for now.
The (Texas) Death Match itself was what we refer to a Last Man Standing match today with the only difference being that in the Death Match, you have to score a pinfall before the referee begins the count of 10 while in WWE the referee starts the count whenever one of the wrestlers is down.
There are 3 different types of 3 way matches & the orgin of each one came from a different company.
WWE = Triple Threat Match where all the wrestlers are in the ring at the same time & the first person to score the victory over another person wins the match. The first series of these types of matches that I can remember were from the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels/Sysco Sid feud back in late 96 eventhough the first televised one was on RAW in mid-1997 between Owen Hart (who was the I.C. champion), Triple H, and Goldust.
ECW = The three way dance which is just like a triple threat match except it's elimination rules meaning that once one guy is eliminated, the other two keep battling until another elimination happens & last man remaining is the winner. Of course the first match until this stipulation was the infamous "Night The Line Was Crossed" with Terry Funk vs. Sabu vs. Shane Douglas for the ECW Championship which was either in 1994 (the exact date escapes me right now).
WCW = Their version was the Triangle match & the first one on TV was back at Fall Brawl 94 with Sting vs. Vader vs. Guardian Angel (Ray Traylor) and their rules were setup like a tag match where two guys wrestler while one stands on the apron & they can tag in the third guy on the outside at anytime while this was also under elimination rules meaning two guys have to get beat with the last man remaining being the winner.
These days, the common usage & rules for these matches are under WWE's "Triple Threat" rules.
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Thanks. I asked all those questions, 'cause I'm writing a wrestling story that starts in 1987 and I wasn't sure when I'm 'allowed' to use each terms.
Dating the word 'cruiserweight' back to 1996 concerned me a bit, but I checked Wikipedia and it seems it was used in boxing since the mid 1990s, which comforted me a little.
Do you know maybe when ECW started using the term 'hardcore'?
Also, according to your reply, there were no threeway matches of any kind in any major promotion before 1994, is that correct? That's odd to me, actually.