Proof The World Wont End This Year

[The Mac]

[Engaged To Ouellet]

Very true, we make it to 2015 at least...but those damn inventors need to hurry up. Not long until we have hoverboards, flying cars, self drying and fitting clothes. 2015 here we come!

[Javi]

It won't end in 2012 because congresses around the world will end up postponing it:P

Or they might finally realize that it may be a metaphor or that we know nothing about past civilizations.

[Sabin Shelley Army]

The Mayan calendar ends because the alignment of our planet changes and some of the other planets/stars/etc will be a little different. I'm not sure how that equals the end of the world...it should just mean the ancient Mayans would have to recalibrate their tools.

Here's how it goes, the end of the world would happen when you least expect it. The world will probably never completely end either. Everything probably won't just disappear into nothingness. I think there's always going to be something.

[The Full Time Shakey]

Think of it this way, or this is how i think of it.

The Universe was so small at one point, it was the size of a pixel on your screen. And it expanded, and it is still expanding to this day, but eventually, everything that expands will contract? i think that's the word. Not sure. It's late, i'm tired. and quite possibly talking out of my ass but...

yeah, the universe/world will end someday but not 2012, the universe is going to fold all the way back in again most likely imo. and we will be long gone when that happens. and Hovercars are never happening.

[Sabin Shelley Army]

If the universe caves into itself, it still doesn't explain why or what started it to begin with. If the universe came from nothing and returns to nothing, then couldn't it come back again from nothing? The Big Bang theory doesn't explain this well, as far as I know. Maybe they've filled in some pieces recently, but I doubt it. I buy into creationism with modern science not being exclusive to the process, but I'm not going to go into this since I don't claim to have all the answers...and no one else does that I know of.

I had a lot of universe threads in OT that are now lost, but one thread was about a documentary that explained that part of the universe is moving inwards towards one specific point while the rest is still spreading outward. I had a theory that the universe could continuously expand and contract at a single point, but it was just a theory.

If the universe does move into a single point, it could be considered a dark hole. Some of the universe could eventually emerge from the dark hole again though, but it would be a wasteland. It might just come out through another end of a wormhole, like some intergalactic stopped up plumbing.

We haven't proven that black holes and wormholes exist anyway. I think scientists are trying to create one, and that has disaster written all over it.

I don't think everything will be swallowed up into nothingness. If it did, it wouldn't matter. You have the question of what happens when you die to worry about, and life never ends in that sense.

I would like to see hovercars, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[The Mac]

some mayans in heaven are prob looking down and r all like

mayan 1: dude they fucking thing the worlds ending whhen really we just figured we would fuck wit em and just stop making calenders

mayan 2: LMFAO i know right this is awesome...best reality show ever

[Javi]

Computers will eventually get smart like Hal on 2001 A Space Odyssey then smarter like Skynet and boom! Then the planet will clear up and start over again.

[™S. nay-rappeX taMmeT]

I appreciate everybody's interpretations in life, because it means we're thinking. But this stuff with the Mayans have been blown totally out of proportion, namely by the mass media. They love to instill fear, and December 21 2012 is about ANYthing but fear. I have researched and studied the 2012 for many years, read many texts, and thought on many theories. The Mayans never ever ever said that the world would end in 2012. They said the new world would begin. It is more a concept than a literal "new world." The best article I have read in recent memory is here (I suggest everybody read this for a much more suitable explanation, than this "end of the world" "doomsday "apocalypse" nonsense):

Carlos Barrios, Mayan elder and Ajq'ij (is a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide) of the Eagle Clan. Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars circulating. Carlos along with his brother Gerardo studied with many teachers and interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.

Carlos found out quickly there were several conflicting interpretations of Mayan hieroglyphs, petroglyphs, Sacred Books of 'Chilam Balam' and various ancient text. Carlos found some strong words for those who may have contributed to the confusion:

Carlos Barrios: "Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed."

"We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth Changes."

He continues: "Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human. We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action."

Carlos tells us: "The indigenous have the calendars and know how to accurately interpret it -- not others. The Mayan Calendars comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya understand 17 different calendars such as the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij, some of them charting time accurately over a span of more than ten million years.

"All was predicted by the mathematical cycles of the Mayan calendars. -- It will change --everything will change. Mayan Day-keepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator and the Earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy."

At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered in all the world's spiritual traditions.

Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the Earth, cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration. Carlos reminds us: "This process has already begun. Change is accelerating now and it will continue to accelerate.

If the people of the Earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape without having destroyed too much of the Earth, we will rise to a new, higher level. But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way."

The date specified in the calendar Winter Solstice in the year 2012 does not mark the end of the world. Many outside people writing about the Mayan calendar sensationalize this date, but they do not know. The ones who know are the indigenous elders who are entrusted with keeping the tradition.

Carlos tells us: "The economy now is a fiction. The first five-year stretch of transition from August 1987 to August 1992 was the beginning of the destruction of the material world. We have progressed ten years deeper into the transition phase by now, and many of the so-called sources of financial stability are in fact hollow. The banks are weak. This is a delicate moment for them. They could crash globally, if we don't pay attention. Now, people are paying attention."

The North and South Poles are both breaking up. The level of the water in the oceans is going to rise. But at the same time land in the ocean, especially near Cuba, is also going to rise. Carlos tells a story about the most recent Mayan New Year ceremonies in Guatemala. He said that one respected Mam elder, who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to Chichicastenango to speak with the people at the ceremony. The elder delivered a simple, direct message. He called for human beings to come together in support of life and light.

"Right now each person and group is going his or her own way. The elder of the mountains said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way. We live in a world of polarity -- day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance."

"Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012."

"On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group's understandings, are the key. There's a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus."

Carlos believes the dark side works to block unity through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change. They do not want unity. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.

The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It's too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to unity, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.

Carlos said the emerging era of the Fifth Sun will call attention to a much-overlooked element. Whereas the four traditional elements of Earth, Air, Fire and Water have dominated various epochs in the past, there will be a fifth element to reckon with in the time of the Fifth Sun --- that element is 'ETHER'.

The dictionary defines Ether as a "hypothetical substance supposed to occupy all space, postulated to account for the propagation of electromagnetic radiation through space." Perhaps it could be defined as the "space between space". I would suggest it could be manifest as the alignment of charged particles from our solar system (Sun), and our galaxy (Milky Way) surge. The Ether element represents spiritual energy.

"The element of the Fifth Sun is celestial. Within the context of Ether there can be a joining of the polarities. No more darkness or light in the people, but an uplifted unity. But right now the realm of darkness is not interested in this. They are organized to block it. They seek to unbalance the Earth and its environment so we will be unready for the alignment in 2012."

"We need to work together for peace, and balance with the other side. We need to take care of the Earth that feeds and shelters us. We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and unity now, to confront the other side and preserve life."

"We are disturbed -- we can't play anymore. Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action. Everyone is needed. You are not here for no reason. Everyone who is here now has an important purpose. This is a hard but a special time. We have the opportunity for growth, but we must be ready for this moment in history."

Carlos says: "The prophesied changes are going to happen, but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are. We need to act, to make changes, and to elect people to represent us who understand and who will take political action to respect the Earth."

"Meditation and spiritual practice are good, but also action. It's very important to be clear about who you are, and also about your relation to the Earth. Develop yourself according to your own tradition and the call of your heart. But remember to respect differences, and strive for unity. Eat wisely --- a lot of food is corrupt in either subtle or gross ways. Pay attention to what you are taking into your body. Learn to preserve food, and to conserve energy. Learn some good breathing techniques, so you have mastery of your breath. Be clear. Follow a tradition with great roots. It is not important what tradition, your heart will tell you, but it must have great roots."

"We live in a world of energy. An important task at this time is to learn to sense or see the energy of everyone and everything -- people, plants, animals. This becomes increasingly important as we draw close to the World of the Fifth Sun, for it is associated with the element 'ether' -- the realm where energy lives and weaves. Go to the sacred places of the Earth to pray for peace, and have respect for the Earth which gives us our food, clothing, and shelter. We need to reactivate the energy of these sacred places. That is our work."

"One simple but effective prayer technique is to light white or baby-blue colored candles. Think of a moment in peace. Speak your intention to the flame and send the light of it on to the leaders who have the power to make war or peace."
Carlos reminds us this is a crucially important moment for humanity and for Earth. Each person is important.

He said the elders have opened the doors so that other races can come to the Mayan world to receive the tradition. "The Maya have long appreciated and respected that there are other colors, other races, and other spiritual systems. They know that the destiny of the Mayan world is related to the destiny of the whole world."

"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way."

- SERI worldwide

[Sabin Shelley Army]

Welcome back TMX. Post in OT more often man.

But you're forgetting that it's hard to control people without fear. You also can't easily get people to be reckless and go shopping without doom and gloom.

Interesting article

"We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth Changes."

They're right about social chaos and war. I've heard an interesting theory that we're in the middle of world war three. I'll create a thread about it later. The social chaos is plain enough to see. The people are protesting more around the world than before (Egypt, Wallstreet, etc), and the government is trying to clamp down harder than before.

I won't go into the second half now. It's a complicated subject.

[ILuvMonkeeMike]

KNOCK KNOCK!!! Guys the world already ended...where were you when William Hung got a record deal? Seriously though, I don't really care to think about it anymore. What can I really do about it one way or the other? And there is a difference between the world coming to an end and humanity coming to an end. It's not going to be like Krypton or anything like that,where the tits get blown off the planet.Trust me when I tell you when they say "the meek shall inherit the Earth" you don't have to look too hard to find out who they meant. See that little cockroach that just skittered over your boot?

[KANESHOW]

I laugh at anybody that thinks the world is gonna end this year. Some people are just well not very smart.

[The Mac]

wouldnt go that far id say gullible

[198d]

i think the reason the mayan calendar ends this year is because their calendar followed the planets, and all the planets align at the end of the year, so the calendar would start over with the position of the planets being reset

[ILuvMonkeeMike]

i think the reason the mayan calendar ends this year is because their calendar followed the planets, and all the planets align at the end of the year, so the calendar would start over with the position of the planets being reset

Or could be because power hungry greedy European conquerers killed off the Mayans before they could finish it...nobody ever thinks about that...