HHH decided Sheamus Should Win The Rumble

[Altyrell]

Maybe you do not remember the power Triple H and Shawn Michaels had in the 90s? No one was champion unless they said so and this included Hulk Hogan. Not much has changed it seems, now he just has a lot more power behind the scenes instead of the locker room.

What i find funny is that i remember reading an article which said Sheamus was working/training with Triple H and Yoshi was working/training with Shawn. And look, Sheamus is shown front & center while Yoshi is stuck on NXT/Superstars. Then again I remember reading an article that said that Yoshi kicked the *hit out of Sheamus after Sheamus did something (i forget what it said Sheamus did but it was basically along the lines of eating Yoshi's clearly marked sandwich or something to that affect)

[WWEFan26]

Then how was Bret Hart, who Shawn and Hunter hated, champion and the top guy for so long? The whole Triple H thing, along with the whole Kliq thing, has always been overblown and overreacted on.

Exactly HHH pitches Ideas and we only here about the ones that get chosen so right away its HHH has all the power and pull. Of all the guys they had winning the rumble Sheamus CLEARLY deserves it more then any of the rest. Y2J just got back and is still gonna get punk anyways. Orton dont need it, as he will find a way to get in taht match anyways. The Cena Idea was just so stupid and would have pissed alot of people off. This was the BEST idea so instead of hating HHH praise him for making the best decision. It just so happens that Sheamus is his friend and his workout buddy.

[198d]

yoshi kicking the shit out of sheamus? no freakin way

[DramaShark]

Then how was Bret Hart, who Shawn and Hunter hated, champion and the top guy for so long? The whole Triple H thing, along with the whole Kliq thing, has always been overblown and overreacted on.

Bret was an established star long before Shawn had any pull, so while The Kliq did have a tremendous amount of pull, Bret hart was the WWE's John Cena at that time. The only one with the political pull to hold him back was Hogan, who tried.
The Kliq did have pull, between top guys Diesel and HBK and the original brown noser HHH in hi ass-kissing prime, they were always in Vinces ear. Jim Cornette who was actually there even cited them as an example of how ass kissing the right people can make you or break you in the WWE and how Triple-H wrote the standard for ass-kissing that all the young guys follow to this day.

[Swinny]

Bret was an established star long before Shawn had any pull, so while The Kliq did have a tremendous amount of pull, Bret hart was the WWE's John Cena at that time. The only one with the political pull to hold him back was Hogan, who tried.
The Kliq did have pull, between top guys Diesel and HBK and the original brown noser HHH in hi ass-kissing prime, they were always in Vinces ear. Jim Cornette who was actually there even cited them as an example of how ass kissing the right people can make you or break you in the WWE and how Triple-H wrote the standard for ass-kissing that all the young guys follow to this day.

I'm not saying they didn't have pull, I'm just saying people overreact as to how much control they actually had and now overreact to everything Triple H does. If something like this happens then it's automatically all due to Sheamus kissing Triple H's ass and any time Triple H wins the match he's burying talent and he never does the job and yadda, yadda and it's like people expect him to lose every damn time he has a match to prove he's not putting himself over...

[DramaShark]

^ I halfway agree with you, and while I like Sheamus, I have to honestly question if he would be a two time world champion, King Of The Ring Winner and Royal Rumble Winner this early in his career, especially when he is average in the ring and usually hit or miss promo-wise. I'm sure the fact that he works out with Triple-H, carries his luggage and tells him how awesome Hunters muscles look, had nothing to do to with it. Sheamus was feuding with Goldust on ECW, then tells Hunter how big of a fan he is then he is working out with Hunter, then Sheamus is called to the main roster, completely bypasses the undercard, the midcard and even most of the main event scene as he immediately gets a WWE title victory over John Cena.

I am not saying that he has to lose EVERY match to quell the haters, but Sheamus has achieved more in 2 years than Bret hart did in his entire WWE career. And Foley. And Ric Flair. Think about that for a bit.

[Swinny]

Yes, I'm sure it influenced that decision but it's not the first time WWE has done something like that, look at Jack Swagger, he's not friends with Triple H (that I know of) but they still put the title on him out of nowhere and Sheamus did a lot better job with his title run and was built up a lot better in a short time than Swagger was. Also, look at what happened after that, that whole depushing he suffers, being Triple H's buddy didn't help him out there, and he hasn't been in the title picture seriously since then. Did they push Sheamus too hard too fast? Probably. Did it have something to do with Triple H? Probably. But they're also not pushing Sheamus to the sky and having him destroy everyone, he's been up, he's been down and now he's looking the best he's ever looked and he won the Royal Rumble which made perfect sense with the way things were going.

[bret77]

I know that Bigelow left the WWE because he was tired of dealing with the klique's politics. Shawn stopped Tatanka from becoming IC champ and both HHH and Shawn admitted the screw job was Hunter's idea. So they defiantly had and currently have alot of power. The only guy they did not have the power to stop was Hulk. There was going to be two matches. Supposely Shawn wanted to win one of the matches but Hogan nixed that idea. Hogan is the first wrestler to have full creative control. Vince has the final say but they have his trust and have manipulated things in their favour. On a side note does anyone remember the video game magazine WWE stopped doing business with because they published the letter WWE sent them that they could not show pics of HHH (not Cena their top guy) an any weakened state?

[198d]

^ I halfway agree with you, and while I like Sheamus, I have to honestly question if he would be a two time world champion, King Of The Ring Winner and Royal Rumble Winner this early in his career, especially when he is average in the ring and usually hit or miss promo-wise. I'm sure the fact that he works out with Triple-H, carries his luggage and tells him how awesome Hunters muscles look, had nothing to do to with it. Sheamus was feuding with Goldust on ECW, then tells Hunter how big of a fan he is then he is working out with Hunter, then Sheamus is called to the main roster, completely bypasses the undercard, the midcard and even most of the main event scene as he immediately gets a WWE title victory over John Cena.

I am not saying that he has to lose EVERY match to quell the haters, but Sheamus has achieved more in 2 years than Bret hart did in his entire WWE career. And Foley. And Ric Flair. Think about that for a bit.

what? bret has done everything sheamus has and a hell of a lot more, hart, foley and flair are legends, sheamus may have held the wwe title, kotr and such but hes not achieved half of the accolades of ric flair or bret hart

[Altyrell]

Yes, I'm sure it influenced that decision but it's not the first time WWE has done something like that, look at Jack Swagger, he's not friends with Triple H (that I know of) but they still put the title on him out of nowhere and Sheamus did a lot better job with his title run and was built up a lot better in a short time than Swagger was. Also, look at what happened after that, that whole depushing he suffers, being Triple H's buddy didn't help him out there, and he hasn't been in the title picture seriously since then. Did they push Sheamus too hard too fast? Probably. Did it have something to do with Triple H? Probably. But they're also not pushing Sheamus to the sky and having him destroy everyone, he's been up, he's been down and now he's looking the best he's ever looked and he won the Royal Rumble which made perfect sense with the way things were going.

It didn't help that they FUBAR the whole Nexus thing. By that I mean, they had Sheamus run away from the Nexus Ambush and they didn't handle the aftermath correctly especially since they were having Sheamus be built to be a Monster. They screwed up by having him look like a coward without explanation.

WHAT they should've done in that instance was to have Sheamus come out and say that he is a smart champion as he knew it would've been stupid to have attempted to fight off the Nexus who ended up (iirc) cleaning house.

[DramaShark]

^ Your right, they are all legends and are all better than Sheamus in my opinon, but that's not the point.

Outside the WWE, you would be correct, but I was talking about there WWE careers solely. Sheamus has done more in the WWE than Ric Flair has. They both are two time WWE Champions, both are Royal Rumble Winners. Sheamus won King Of The Ring, Flair didn't. Flair is a former IC champ, Sheamus is a former US Champ. Flair is a WWE Hall Of Famer (so is Drew Carey), but Sheamus has only been in the WWE less than two years and has matched almost every accolade Flair has achieved in the WWE during his long career. And has been in more PPV main events, in only 2 years. Think about that. Sheamus was also the 2nd fasted new comer to ever capture the WWE title.

As far as Foley goes, He has one more World title than Sheamus, but didn't win it as quickly as Sheamus did and thats what i was referring to. Career wise, Sheamus had earned his 2nd WWE title before Foley had won his first. Foley has never won a Royal Rumble, King Of The Ring, ect, he has a few flash in the pan tag title reigns, every one of them short reigns or transition reigns. Mick Foley is a favorite of mine, but lets be honest, he was always a transitional champion and Sheamus held the belt longer on his first reign than Fioley did on his 3 WWF title reigns combined. Look it up.

[jayrwi23]

did you hear what hhh says. hhh says he does not gripe. he works hard and he listens to hhh what he tells him. the man work his ass off. if he friends with him so what. hulk hogan says that he use to train with vince when he was in the wwe. hhh did not just give him the spot.he worked for it. if you work hard for you boss . if y2j won wwe just handed him the spot

[DramaShark]

^ That makes no sense, y2j wasn't handed his spot, Y2j worked in Canada, Japan, Mexico, the indies, ECW and WCW before coming to WWE, and Jericho still got buried even as champion because Triple-H didn't like him and Stephanie did. Triple-H thought Jericho was "more of an IC title guy"

[konan]

Sheamus was a way better pick than Orton and Jericho combined and multiplied by a million. Not even talking about Cena. Knowing McIntyre wouldn't win, I was holding for Barrett, but Sheamus is absolutely fucking cool as well. Coincidentally, all three from UK, lol.

Very content with the winner, thanks HHH.